value of international degrees?

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by TFed, Nov 18, 2004.

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  1. TFed

    TFed New Member

    I'm new so please cut me some slack.
    I'm looking at a degree program from Deakin University Australia.
    Nursing with concentration on behavioral sciences.
    US dept of Edu tells me that they can't confirm the acceptability of degrees from any college outside US.

    I'm already a RN and am looking for a Bachelors that will let me get into management.

    Deakin is obviously legit school but, will excelsior college accept their credits? They say the don't know but would have to go through the ECE.

    ECE says they couldn't tell me until course work is completed and degree has been awarded.

    Is such a degree worth pursuing???
     
  2. peterhcoster

    peterhcoster New Member

    Aussie degree in US

    Hi- I can't imagine the Deakin degree, or any degree from Australia not being accepted since their standards are pretty high and meet GAAP.

    Every country seems to have standards and ways to evaluate degree from outside.

    I was pursuing schools down under before I discovered how much South Africa has to offer at 1/3 the cost. But this should not be the only critera of course.

    Good luck
     
  3. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Hi TFed:

    Welcome aboard. I can't speak to your career goals, but Deakin is certainly a good Oz university in every respect. Will folks in your orbit have heard of it? Beats me. Is it reputable? Absolutely.

    There is a ranking site for Australian universities called the Good Guides www.thegoodguides.com.au which has lots of information, rankings, comparisons by fields of study, etc. George Brown and others are expert Australian posters here.

    Use the search function for lots and lots of material on Excelsior.

    There are a very few kooks and haters loose here at the moment; please ignore them, as they're not representative of the degreeinfo crowd.

    I hope we can be of help, and as you learn more, I hope you can help by sharing what you find out. Best wishes to you.

    Janko
     
  4. TFed

    TFed New Member

    Just wanted to say thanks for the replies so far( and any more to come, thanks in advance).

    What good schools available in South Africa?
    1/3rd of cost certainly sounds good.
     
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  5. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    In my opinion if the degree is from a country that has solid QA
    process - accreditation, low instances of academic fraud then the education and degree is voluble.

    I think that in USA if the person is not an immigrant then a US RA degree is the best option for MBA, Law etc.

    Based on discipline some degrees from overseas may be very voluble specially from UK or Australian English speaking countries.

    The funny thing is that International degree from a well established recognized university may have better recognition for
    professional licensing in many states.

    I met many people with degrees from US RA schools that once changed their State of residence they experienced problems and had to take make-up courses.
    Wile their international counterparts had to have proper evaluation only and most of the time didn't have to take additional classes.

    My aunt always complains about her degree from KU now that she leaves in California.

    She says International degrees do better.

    But in MBA world I think US MBA degree do better for those who reside in USA, given the schools are of the same status.
     
  6. Andrew Maz

    Andrew Maz New Member

    "Deakin is obviously legit school but, will excelsior college accept their credits? They say the don't know but would have to go through the ECE."

    On the Excelsior College website you can find a list of international schools that don't need to have their credits evaluated by ECE, and if I remember correctly, Deakin is on it.
     
  7. Andrew Maz

    Andrew Maz New Member

    "Deakin is obviously legit school but, will excelsior college accept their credits? They say the don't know but would have to go through the ECE."

    On the Excelsior College website you can find a list of international schools that don't need to have their credits evaluated by ECE and, if I remember correctly, Deakin is on it.
     
  8. bullet

    bullet New Member

    Don't touch it.

    99.8% of all Degrees "earned" outside of the U.S.A. are worthless.

    100.00% of all Degrees bought inside or outside of the USA are worthless.

    Look for R.A. degrees only, all the others are suspect.

    R.A. ONLY.


    O.k.?

    Rules you newbies need to learn, so listen up BUCKO:

    1] WHEN IN DOUBT USE GOOGLE.
    2] WHEN NOT IN DOUBT USE GOOGLE.
    3] R.A. DEGREES ONLY
    4] Use the search function on this site; because 85% of all questions have already been answered and sometimes they have been answered AD NAUSEUM.
    5] Buy "Bears Guide", it's the Bible.
     
  9. Andrew Maz

    Andrew Maz New Member

    Re: Don't touch it.

    Heavy!!!
    A touch of ethnocentrism perhaps?
     
  10. bullet

    bullet New Member

    ok I give up

    Just kidding.

    There is excellent education around the world to be earned. Education is universal.
     
  11. Jack Tracey

    Jack Tracey New Member

    As others have said, I think you'd ultimately find a Deakin degree to be evaluated as equivalent to a US degree. My question to you would be, why would you go to Australia for a degree that can be earned at a US school. Even if they're equivalent won't the name recognition of a US school improve your chances? Just asking.
    Jack
     
  12. TFed

    TFed New Member

    Deakin offers a unique bachelors program for nurses that I have found at no other school.

    excelsior does have another program that looks interesting but not as interesting as Deakin.
     
  13. Jack Tracey

    Jack Tracey New Member

    Ok, that's understandable. I gues what I'd suggest then is you take the question to your current employer, or maybe one or two prospective employers, and ask their HR people about how these things are handled. My experience is that most large organizations (such as hospitals or metnal health clinics) have very well-defined policies related to these matters. In any case, I hope it works out well for you. I've spent more than a little time perusing the various Australian university websites and believe, in general, that these are excellent programs.
    Jack
     
  14. Gary Rients

    Gary Rients New Member

    There are many dozens of online RN to BSN programs offered by US schools. If you qualify for in-state tuition at one of these schools then the cost can be very reasonable. If you haven't already, then you may want to investigate all of your options.

    I'm curious - if you were to complete a bachelor's degree through Deakin, then why would you need to transfer the credits to Excelsior?
     
  15. TFed

    TFed New Member

    Toward their masters program in Nursing Administration.

    Not really transfer, just don't want to repeat if I don't have to.
     
  16. rinri

    rinri New Member

    name recognition

    Because times are a changin'! Because it depends on where you plan to be located.

    I work with several fellow Americans here at a non-U.S. firm in Europe. Their typical story starts at an American firm, with a stint as an expat and then being hired on with a local firm (or, as it were, non-US-origin multinational). Here, to my knowledge, a US school (except Ivy League or a univ. with int'l. recognition in a field related to the position) has just as little (or much) name recognition as an Australian school. For that matter, Deakin U. = U.Phoenix, for example -- although, I believe, the former is of higher tier in AU. Thus, unless HR here has some reference list of overseas universities by tier or, at least, by RA vs. non-RA, there is not much differentiation made. Therefore, it really depends on what you plan to do or where you plan to be located afterwards.

    Somebody in int'l. HR, please correct me if I'm wrong.

    P.S.: I sure do hope HR departments worldwide have a complete list of diploma mills (incl. any US mills despite their possible name recognition). ;) Anybody want to join me in preparing such an int'l. list?
     
  17. Gary Rients

    Gary Rients New Member

    Ah, I see. There are also bunches of schools offering online MSN programs, so if Excelsior wouldn't accept your bachelor's degree for entry into their program (which seems unlikely, but possible), then you could probably find a school that would. I'm really not sure how foreign nursing degrees are viewed by US graduate schools. If you're sure that you want to continue on to an MSN, then you may want to email a few programs just to make sure before you start a foreign program. Or you could play it safe and just do one of the many RN-BSN programs from a US school.

    If you are having trouble finding US schools that offer online RN-BSN programs let me know. I did a lot of research into nursing programs for my wife. There are even some programs that provide automatic continuation into their MSN program.
     
  18. peterhcoster

    peterhcoster New Member

    south africa

    I haven't looked into the degree you are interested in, so I'm not sure what you will find.

    A good place to start would be:

    south-africa.top10-colleges-universities.com
     
  19. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

    Re: Don't touch it.

    Hmmm.... U.S. student looking to stay in U.S. and oddly looking at overseas schools. I think a U.S. program is likely to find a better reception and would likely be a better choice if cost and program details are similiar. It may seem odd but for most folks in the U.S. an RA degree probably IS the best choice. Of course, out sorcing of education may change all that. :D
     
  20. Jack Tracey

    Jack Tracey New Member

    Re: name recognition

    Yes, of course, you are correct. However, since you were not the one to whom I addressed the question it seems a bit irrelevant. YOU may be in a big hurry to live outside the US but there is no indication that this is true of the original poster (to whom I addressed my question). Still, it is a global marketplace...
    Jack
     

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