Fort Hayes Master Liberal Studies and CLEP

It seems my plans for entering the Master in Liberal Studies program at Fort Hayes has taken a noisedive. To get into the program you have to have 12 undergrad credits in history - only CLEP test do not count. So, instead of 16 credits, for FH I have 7.

The truly irritating part is that no where on their website do they mention this. Had I not asked I would have wasted my time and money applying.

 

Wow

At one time I too planned on attending Fort Hays, anyway have you looked at Excelsior College?

 

I had looked for my BS but have not checked on their Masters programs.

 

There is no 'e' in Fort Hays.

 

I think Excelsior college offers a Master in Liberal Studies

 

Sorry. Too upset to spelll.

 

Don’t worry about your spelling everyone knew what you meant

 

Of course I knew what was meant, but since FHSU is my school, and this is a fairly common mistake, I pointed it out.

You might look into Harvurd or Yail for graduate school. j/k

 

I found this on their website here

It could have been just recently added:

Additionally, all applicants to MLS Social Science Concentration (History) Program must have
- a minimum of (12) hrs. undergraduate or graduate level work in history.
- a cumulative GPA of 3.25 in all course work taken in previous programs.
- graded course work sufficient to establish a GPA [Credit gained via CLEP or other non-graded credited mechanism cannot be used].

 

Have you thought about petitioning for an exception to this rule? If you have a good academic record otherwise and a track record of work experience I would think it possible.

 

Re: Re: Fort Hayes Master Liberal Studies and CLEP

Thank you. I will consider it.

 

But if you look at the way this section is worded it is the GPA that CLEP doesn't count toward, which I knew. If they meant it to apply to the credits needed they should have put the same statement:

- a minimum of (12) hrs. undergraduate or graduate level work in history. [Credit gained via CLEP or other non-graded credited mechanism cannot be used].

Or made it a seperate entry.

 

Whoops, I guess this is a better place for this post...

Indirect approach

Well why don't you just go for the MLS, either the self designed or the social science concentration and just load up on lots of history courses? Take a couple of political science or whatever to meet their requirements....another thought is that after you've done well on the history classes you've taken, see if you can switch concentrations.

I wonder what happens if you take undergrad history courses at FHSU and then want to do the MLS history concentration, since all the history courses are for both grad & undergrad. I wonder if you just submit the extra work and tuition then you get the grad credit?

 

I've taught biology courses that were cross-listed as graduate and under-graduate. While they met in the same room and received the same lectures, the requirements were different. For example, the graduate students had more in-depth assignments, perhaps an extra paper, and additional questions on the exams. When I was a graduate student, I took some classes that met with the undergraduate versions. Again, the requirements were different.

I believe this is true of most schools- once you've taken a class for undergraduate credit, you can't just decide that you'd like to use it for graduate credit also.

Alex

 

Yes, I can take two under grad courses at University of Tampa and that would qualify me for the program. It also adds another year toward getting into the program.

You have to choose a concentration when you apply since each one has different requirements.

I would like to teach, to do that I need 18 credits in history, which is what the concentration gives you.

 

Alex,

Yes I know the requirements are different, actually you can see the requirement on the online syllibi at the FHSU site. Because the history offerings at FHSU are so limited, I was wondering if Deb would be in a catch 22 if she decided to take the very inexpensive FHSU undergraduate history courses. Would she be precluded from the history concentration, since she might have taken most of the courses as prerequisites? It sounds like she should probably avoid taking their upper level history classes.

The bottom line is that I think Deb can do the MLS thing and achieve her goals if she goes about it the right way, since the program is so flexible, and since none of the history courses have any prerequisites. She might have to take 3 or 6 extra credits but what the heck, FHSU tuition is cheap.

 

They won't take grad courses unless you are in the grad program. I just have to have two undergrad to apply.

Plus, UT doesn't offer grad classes in history so it would be easier for me to take undergrad to qualify.

Deb

 

Instead of taking traditional courses at Tampa, have you considered taking a couple of self-paced independent study courses? Courses at Southwest Texas, for example, only have about 7-10 lessons and can be finished in a relatively short time. There are thousands of history courses available through other independent study programs that are fairly inexpensive. Two courses at LSU, for example, would only cost about $428.