Something you all should know....

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by Dr.2B, Oct 11, 2004.

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  1. Dr.2B

    Dr.2B New Member

    This is something that I think that everyone should read. I'm no longer a student at St. Luke's University School of Medicine and I apologize for all that warned me and tried to have me come to my senses. I truely wanted to be a physician. I wanted to be doctor. Now, I'm a fool. And the president of St. Luke's Medical school is making me out to be one. He clearly blames me for all that is happening to St. Luke's University School of Medicine. He has sent me more than one email stressing how I caused all this to come about. He even says that I've caused the accreditation of his school in both Liberia and Ghana to be in jepordy now.

    Now, the very organization which I defended is saying I'm to blame. He's making out like I'm the one who called the Ministry of Ghana to verify what he has on offical documents stating St. Luke's University School of Medicine is accredited in both Liberia and Ghana. Have you noticed that everything that states that has been removed from the internet? I have an offical catalog from St. Luke's University School of Medicine dated just last year stating this:


    That's on the front cover of the St. Luke School of Medicine Catalog which I printed off their website before I sent in my application.

    Also, look at this. This was in my acceptance package which I recieved.


    At the end of each page, it has your name, Date, Location and you circle the country of registration which you want to belong. I belive I circled Ghana on each of my pages.

    I will not post the email this President of the school sent me blaming me for all that has come about with St. Luke's. However, after the first one, I sent an apology and he sent another with much stronger language blaming me for the exposure of St. Luke's. He even went as far as saying that I'm the one that now may put his school at risk of not being able to become accredited in Liberia or Ghana.

    I do hope you are reading this Mr. President of St. Luke's and tell your lawyers to contact me so I can show them all the deception you put in writing claiming St. Luke's was legal when it never was. Yeah I would love to argue this in court. Your words of denial of what you have put into writing. You can't take back what you wrote and signed. You can delete it off the website and claim you never said that, but I have all in writing. Did you think I would throw that stuff away? You got me mistaken for someone else. Your right about one thing, I didn't make a fool of St. Luke's, I made a fool of myself believeing your fraud and deceptive words. You have taken over $800 of my money all in the name of fraud and deception. I would love to see that in court.

    Lastly, word of warning to Azsepktic and others who are exposing this fraud and deceptive school, Mr. President is threatening to sue you for expressing a fact in open forum. It's not opinion any more Mr. President of St.Luke's that you lied about accreditation in Ghana and Liberia. It's not opinion anymore that you were in fact enrolling student in Ghana and Liberia. It's all on offical papers. You enrolled these students knowing that the school was not accredited nor legal in Ghana or Liberia. This is not opinion and you dang sure can't sue a person for stating the facts. You've committed a major fraud and now your looking to blame someone when you've been exposed? How dare you. You've got alot of cojones.

    Let this be a lesson to all those out there who want to go to medical school. If the school doesn't request MCAT scores, doesn't have any graduates, doesn't have any standards on who they admit, doesn't have legal status in the country you want to attend (Call every government offical you can and stay away from medical school that open up in the middle of a war torn country), has no students in the US in residency that you can call and verify and has no licensed graduates, stay the hell away from these schools. That includes all those new medical schools that have only been around for less than 10yrs and makes promises that they can't prove. Apply to the schools which have reputation. Don't fall for the cheap tuition or how easy it is to get into the medical school.

    I feel so stupid. I'm holding back the tears in my eyes over the gal of this man blaming me for all that is happening. But it's ok. I'll re-register at my legit accredited recognized in all 50 states undergraduate university and do it right this time. I only pray that I can get into one of the more established medical school when it comes time for me to go to a real medical school. I should have listened. Azsepktic, NeilC and others, I'm so sorry. To degreeinfo.com people, I'm so sorry. I ask each and everyone of you to please forgive me. Please don't look down on me because of this.


    -Dr.2B
     
  2. bullet

    bullet New Member

    Dolphin and Company

    Dear Doctor 2 Be,


    Wait. Lets get this in order, the President of a Medical School has blamed YOU, a student for his or their MISREPRESENTATIONS?

    Did you help Dolphin and Company apply for accreditation in GHANA?

    Where you a paid consultant?

    If the answer is NO, then how are you to blame? It appears that Dolphin is sour grapes that his game seems to be up.



    He needs to sue the Liberian Government and The Government of Ghana.
     
  3. Dr.2B

    Dr.2B New Member

    Re: Dolphin and Company

    Yes, I wish I could post the emails he sending me stressing how I'm to blame for the exposure of his deception. I was a faithful student. I came here and other site and defended his school. I made myself look like a fool. And, now he blames it all on me. I knew nothing about St.Luke's University School of Medicine prior to enrolling in the school. On all the documents I have, it clearly states that the school is accredited in Ghana and Liberia. When the Ghanaian Government sent that email to that potential student, I still stood up for St. Luke's University School of Medicine. I still believed what he was telling me. Then when the Liberian government exposed the school, I still did not withdraw from the school. I called him and told him about it. When everyone started calling the school a fraud, I called him and told him about it.

    Then he finds some private journal entry I made back in August before the school was exposed and uses that to blame me for the government exposure of his school. Is this the way any Dean or President of a medical school would treat a student? I'm so hurt over this.

    My stepfather and my cousin's husband told me to contact a lawyer because he committed fraud. However, I'm don't want to sue anyone. I just want to put this behind me and do the right things to get into a real medical school so that I can become a physician and help those who need me the most. That's all.


    -Dr.2B
     
  4. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    DR.2B,

    I hope you're not serious because all they're trying to do is to get something more from you. They may be trying to get you to be quiet or they may be trying to get more money from you or...something.

    In my opinion, the thing to do is to cease all contact with them and to move on with your life and with your education. In my further opinion, you owe apologies to none as only you, all all parties mentioned, have suffered any loss.
     
  5. bullet

    bullet New Member

    not worth the paper its printed on

    A degree from St Luke school of medicine GHANA or LIBERIA potentially is not worth the paper its printed on.

    why is that a problem for Dr 2 Be?

    At first inspection it sends out offical letterhead with GHANA written all over it.

    Now the government of Liberia has ruled against it.

    Out of options as it would appear.
     
  6. ham

    ham member

    it sounds like you made a mistake & you paid for it.
    It happens i guess.
    As a general note, here (in the past ) "medical schools" from neighboring former communist coiuntries of Slovenia/Croatia etc ( i even heard once about Romania ) used to lure gullible clients in, with rubbish talks about upcoming EU membership of the above ( true; but at that time, just weather talks ) and consequently -lie- of inpending recognition of all degrees bestowed upon by said institutions.
    It goes without saying some of these outfits would engage in questionable practices.
    As a result, degrees from such institutions ( as well as from any other foreign source unless by binding bilateral treaties - not just "let's throw a party" kind of conventions like Lisbon's ) are UNRECOGNIZED.
    Mind you, i was referring to Slovenia & Croatia in the 90's, not cannibal island's principality.
    It was rumored a few individuals had won extenuating & expensive court cases to get their degree recognized in court.
    It was also apparent the competent ministry had subsequently "fixed the loopholes".
    Such a degree would cost applicants IN EXCESS of an onshore, traditional, chartered medical school.
    Again: if it sounds too good to be true, then it probably is.
     
  7. Floyd_Pepper

    Floyd_Pepper New Member

    I don't know if you're referring to DL degrees or in general, but some Eastern European schools are legit and actually made money out of taking students who couldn't be accepted in their home country and making them doctors the old fashioned way - with clinical years that require residency (but in English with only minimum requirements of local language).

    I am not here to judge if these are "good" insitutions or if the doctors graduating from these places are "good" doctors: but there is no difference between those schools and a Caribbean school.

    I know this is a bit OT, but could someone explain to me anyhow, how could medical education be attained solely in DL? I mean, it is important that the future doctor meets "real" patients and cases through cinical training.
     
  8. levieuxnegre

    levieuxnegre New Member

    St Luke's

    I am sorry I don't understand this whole thing.
    How can someone become a doctor through online classes?
     
  9. oxpecker

    oxpecker New Member

    You take only preclinical course work through DL. E.g see http://www.ivimeds.org/vision.html
     
  10. ham

    ham member

    As i said, there were cases of mismanagement & fraudulent behaviour ( selling? ).
    What matters is those degrees were never recognized by the country they had (supposedly) been designed for.
    As far as i recall, those outfit were not part of the established local state education network, but of a private nature.
    Hence ( with a few good bucks as a moral soothener ) i think local authorities couldn't care less about custom-made universities ( however on a "best effort" basis ) to handle foreigners.

    Residency requirements were present, yet VEEERY abridged & lenient.

    They mostly attracted halfway-through local medicine students or senior students dragging through endless years without a degree in sight.

    I heard of such schemes once being pulled in Romania for Germans ( ex copycat "german" universities in Romania ).

    As far i can remember, both schemes were a fiasco & the few recognized degrees people rumored about were either stripped away later, or gotten via political mismanagement.
     

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