Specific DETC RA CC Question

I have seen very close topics to this, but not one that answers me very specific question. In the fullness of time I am going to have a BBA and an MBA from a DETC school and a PhD in Management from a distance RA school. This is the correct choice for me given what I am trying to accomplish professionally.

My question is, once the PhD is completed, if I were to want to teach at a CC ON THE SIDE, should I expect problems with the DETC degrees, or will they be covered by the RA PhD, all other things being equal?

Bubba

 

There is no simple answer, Mr. Gump, since each school district (and sometimes even each school and each department) makes its own policies, and the community college world can be very flexible in doing things on a case-by-case basis.

Logic suggests that a Ph.D. trumps any lower degrees, but, as I recently explained here, in my wife's case, it didn't. Her RA Ph.D. in philosophy was not acceptable for teaching philosophy in the Merrit-Peralta district because philosophy is in the Humanities department, and a degree in Humanities was required.

What I don't know, and am now motivated to find out, is whether a DETC-accredited Master's would have satisfied that requirement.

How does the Auburn football team look this fall?

 

"How does the Auburn football team look this fall?"

pretty fair but it would be heresy to mix up Auburn with Alabama. Forrest "attended" 'Bama.

 

Dr. Bear:

Thank you for your reply. I would be most interested to discover about the DETC Masters in you specific situation, as a point of reference. What sounded promising from you reply was that while the DETC degrees may not help, they would not hurt assuming the PhD satisfied the CC requirement.

With regards to the Alabama football team, all I can say is they are better with me then without me.’

Run, Forrest, Run!

 

Is your BBA from an RA school? If not you may find your options limited on being acepted into an RA PhD program.

 

"...and a PhD in Management from a distance RA school."
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Curious: UMUC? If not, who else offers a DL PhD in Management?

 

NCU, and you are correct I did not specify, PhD in Business Administration with a specialization in Management.

While my PhD options were limited, this is the right track for me and I have worked out the details. I am pleased with the education track I am on, as it satisfies my career goals.

Bubba

 

just curious, would you reveal the name of the school/schools that you got your detc degrees from?

 

Re: Re: Specific DETC RA CC Question

You know what really bothers me about this whole thing if that's true: It means that when it comes right down to it, getting a degree that's accredited by a USDoE/CHEA-approved agency is not really the criteria; rather, it means that regional accreditation is the criteria -- and USDoE/CHEA approval is, in and of itself, worthless.

I know that sounds worse than how I mean it. But my point is that we keep saying that an institution (and its degrees), to be credible, must be accredited by an agency approved by USDoE/CHEA. But if, in fact, it really needs to be accredited by the specific USDoE/CHEA-approved body of "regional" agencies, then maybe we should stop jerkin' ourselves around and just call it what it is: No regional accreditation, no credibility. No tickie, no washie. All else is more or less blue-skied bullsh_t!

Of course, this revives the old debate that's been going on here in various threads since time immemorial: The validity and value, as a practical (not as a theoretical) matter, of RA versus virtually all other USDoE/CHEA-approved accreditations. I guess some would call it, simply, the old "RA vs. NA" debate.

But it's really starting to irritate the bejesus out of me. The USDoE/CHEA should issue a statement or something. NA -- specifically, DETC -- either has credibility versus RA or it doesn't. I'm sick to death (and aren't you, too?) of all the speculation and guessing.

Once and for all: Does it, or doesn't it?

Inquiring minds want to know.

 

Re: Re: Re: Specific DETC RA CC Question

"Inquiring minds" already know. They can't always accept the reality of it, though. Bear's survey shows it. My research shows the same thing regarding employers. Even DETC's own surveys show it.

 

I've tried to stay out of these DETC v. RA debates as they seem too unproductive and, frankly, the arguments seem to ultimately hang on a detailed knowledge of the specific agencies, their processes and the specific schools involved. I have very limited knowledge of any of those subjects. Despite all that I feel compelled to comment. Gregg points out that the DOE/CHEA blessing may not REALLY mean much if a DETC grad can't get into an RA school (or transfer credits). Rich points out that John Bears research indicates that a significant percentage, almost 50%, (sorry for the vague stats but I don't know the real number and Rich only said, in effect, "less than half.") will accept DETC credits/degrees. Even if it's 30%, I'd say that's substantial. 30% of the universities in the US will accept credits and/or degrees from DETC universities. To me that seems a pretty big percentage. The question then becomes, are these 30% ahead of the curve or behind the curve? A list of schools that will accept DETC credits/degrees would help but let's face it, like RA schools, not all DETC schools are created equal. So then it's more about the specific university than about the accreditation? So maybe upper tier DETC schools get their credits/degrees accepted by RA schools? OK, so where's the list of upper tier DETC schools? I don't have any real problem with the idea that some DETC universities are the equal (or even the better) of some RA universities but when it comes down to the "Oh, yeah, well prove it!" stage, there's never any evidence to support the claim. You'd think that the DETC (or somebody) would be collecting some stats on this. You'd think that the NA freaks would be polling their hearts out looking for some validation of this idea but I don't remember hardly anyone coming out and saying, "OK, here's a guy with a DETC Masters who subsequently earned an RA PhD." Not even anecdotal evidence. I'm willing to be convinced but I need to be convinced. Show me the money!
Jack

 

Not wanting to lose the core of the thread, let me just say, if you're looking for guarantees in this life then your living on the wrong planet. Best of luck,
Jack

 

Jack:

Thanks for the regards. While I am new to posting I¡¦ve been reading on this board for some time. Since I¡¦m new maybe I still have thin skin, so the ¡§living on the wrong planet¡¨ remark hurt my feelings, don¡¦t know why.

Possibly I have not done a great job of phrasing my question. I¡¦m not looking for any kind of guarantee, just insight as to what I should expect. This forum, I think, is supposed to be designed to do that. Any insight from knowledgeable people (of which I know you are and that is inclusive of your comments) or from someone with experience on this same set of credentials:

DETC „³ DETC „³ RA

With insight into how a CC may view it is welcome, and I have gotten some already, so I¡¦m happy!

Remember that I am not finishing an education with the goal of teaching at a CC, just wondering how viable an opportunity it really may be for me to supplement my income.

Bubba

 

BTW, I don't know where all the extra characters came from in the above post?

 

Sorry, I meant no offense. Perhaps it was my misunderstanding but my reading of your question was, "If I get degrees A, B, and C will I get job X?" I'm simply trying to say that the answer is "?"
There are so many factors that go into hiring an individual that no one can say with any certainty what will happen in a specific instance. My own view is that if your goal is the teach in an RA community College then you're better off with RA degrees. Does an RA PhD balance off two DETC degrees? In general I'd say "yes" but it depends a lot of the specific degrees and universities. I'd be curious as to why you're so set on DETC degrees. Your own posts indicate that perhaps they're not as well regarded as RA degrees. In any case, good luck with your goals.
Jack

 

I’m doing the DETC degree’s because I have to pay for them myself, and they seemed to offer the best bang for the buck. I own my own company, it does well. I elected to take Business Management because that is what I do, and I was after the information not the credential. To be honest, the information has helped me so I have no complaints!

Also, I’m DETC because I’m about 3 months away from finishing the MBA. I have had conversations with NCU and am all set to start there.

Since NCU is RA, the thought of being all scholarly and teaching at the CC seemed like a neat idea, and a side benefit. Since I have been reading this board for a couple years, and researched my academic selections here before enrolling, I decided to ask this question.

And no, I’m not in the shrimp business. HA!

Bubba

 

Hi Dlady

Perhaps you can enlighten me. I am aware of very few DETC degrees that are cheaper than than economical RA degrees. Which DETC degrees are you pursuing? Many thanks!

 

Hi DLady/Bubba,
You should only post under one name. Doing otherwise makes you appear...somebody help me out here.
LOL

Tony

 

a cross dresser?

 

One might even go so far as to say duplicitous.

Jack