AACSB-accredited Phd

**levieuxnegre** · 08-24-2004 06:13 AM

Can someone give me names of the most cost-effective online AACSB-accredited Business-related Ph D or DBA programs ?

**Andy Borchers** · 08-24-2004 06:19 AM

Good luck finding one - at least in the U.S. there aren't any true DL schools that meet this requirement. You may find an answer in France.

Places like Case Western have programs (in their case a Doctor of Management) that can be done part-time (weekends). Cleveland State is another example. But an on-line PhD that AACSB? Not in the U.S.

Regards - Andy

Originally posted by levieuxnegre
Can someone give me names of the most cost-effective online AACSB-accredited Business-related Ph D or DBA programs ?

**Han** · 08-24-2004 06:53 AM

Originally posted by levieuxnegre
Can someone give me names of the most cost-effective online AACSB-accredited Business-related Ph D or DBA programs ?

Henley , Aston, Grenoble are the three I know about. All require a short residency.

Andy is right abouyt the US, they are behind the technology curve!

**mrw142** · 08-24-2004 07:38 AM

Han's right, I think that Manchester in England also offers a DBA via distance. Of those that he mentioned and manchester, however, only Aston and Grenoble are AACSB. Of course, all are highly-regarded (example, in the world rankings Henley is sandwiched between Berkeley and MIT) and are accredited by the highest accrediting bodies in Europe. However, this may make little difference to Xenophobic ignorant faculty in the U.S. who've never heard of anything but the AACSB. There's also UMUC, which offers a Doctorate in Biz Admin, but alas, not AACSB.

This is a sore point for many--including me--and seems inexplicable. Why so many MBAs offered online in the U.S. and via distance and no AACSB-accredited PhD or DBA?

**levieuxnegre** · 08-24-2004 08:11 AM

Thank you all for your good info. I really appreciated that

**Rich Douglas** · 08-24-2004 08:45 AM

IIRC, AACSB doesn't accredited doctoral programs. But it seems to matter whether or not one takes a doctorate from an AACSB-accredited B-school, even though the accreditation doesn't technically extend to the doctoral program(s).

**mrw142** · 08-24-2004 09:47 AM

Rich is right, no doctoral programs are specifically accredited, but like he said, it does matter whether the b-school as a whole is AACSB.

Does anybody know if there are any AACSB U.S. schools rumored to be putting together a DL doctorate program? I've talked to some scholls directly, but nobody has any plans or anything in the works that I've talked to. I did find out, when talking to Cambridge University in England, that they are exploring a full-blown online/minimal residency MBA . I even was sent a survey earlier this year in which I stated my preferences regarding what type of program delivery method would interest me. They may actually make the move if enough people express interest. Similarly, those who want the AACSB PhD or DBA need to contact universities and ask if they have something DL/online in the works--enough calls, and viola, someone will start a program.

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**dlady** · 08-24-2004 10:20 AM

I thought Capella was AACSB accredited ?

**Gus Sainz** · 08-24-2004 10:49 AM

Originally posted by dlady
I thought Capella was AACSB accredited?

The list of schools accredited by the AACSB can be found here. Capella University isn’t listed.

**Gus Sainz** · 08-24-2004 10:53 AM

One has to wonder how long this untenable situation will exist; unquestionably, educational business excellence is (and will continue to be) threatened by the business Ph.D. shortage.

While most business schools obviously prefer to hire faculty with doctorates from schools that are accredited by the AACSB (www.aacsb.edu), the AACSB itself predicts that, by 2007, there will be a shortage of more than 1,100 doctoral faculty members, and that by 2012 the shortage will increase to 2,400 doctoral faculty members. Moreover, these are conservative estimates; the worst-case scenarios estimate shortages of 3,043 and 5,689 for 2007 and 2012, respectively.

The full report of the Doctoral Faculty Commission (DFC), "Sustaining Scholarship in Business Schools" can be found online at http://www.aacsb.edu/publications/dfc/ . It states that business doctorates in the United States declined from 1,327 in 1994-95 to 1,071 in 1999-2000 (more than 19 percent). Moreover, ten years ago, the percentage of doctorates produced by AACSB-accredited institutions was 92 percent; by 1999-2000 this number had decreased to 84 percent. The report also claims that, "Today, the number of doctorates produced by accredited schools is at its lowest level since 1987," and, "Although there are some examples of new programs and marginal increases in enrollment in various parts of the world, local demand has outstripped supply in virtually all countries."

The commission concluded that, without dramatic action, there would be erosion in the quality of business education and scholarship in the near future.

**Han** · 08-24-2004 11:00 AM

Gus is exactly right, but I have always been told the schools create the shortage, so their graduates are in high demand. For example, some of the high ranking US schools only accepted 1 or 2 per year, though applications are by the hundreds, if not thousands.

Though this makes the grads in demand, it hurts the overall educational process. I hate to say it, but it seems government intervention is needed.

**mrw142** · 08-24-2004 11:20 AM

Gus:

Great points, I'd heard something about the shortage, it informed my decision to move into education . Now, if some U.S. AACSB program will get on the ball and offer a PhD, DBA or DM with minimal residency (a few weekends a semester, maybe an intense 3 weeks a Summer) plus some online work year round, we'll have a viable option.

Sooner or later, something's got to give: either someone will offer a DL program (so those of us who don't have 4 years of our careers to throw to the wind will have an option), hiring committees will start looking at RA rather than AACSB programs for their PhDs, or this absurd bias against top European programs that offer DL Business doctorates will be relegated to the ash heap upon which it belongs. Otherwise, MBA classes will be overcrowded, existing tenured faculty will start demanding exhorbitant salaries as the laws of supply and demand that many of them teach start taking over, or professors will revolt when forced to teach too many courses to meet the MBA student demands.

**mrw142** · 08-24-2004 11:25 AM

Gus is exactly right, but I have always been told the schools create the shortage, so their graduates are in high demand. For example, some of the high ranking US schools only accepted 1 or 2 per year, though applications are by the hundreds, if not thousands.
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Han:

I can see what you're saying to a point, but wouldn't this be mutually-assured destruction for all but the best programs who are always assured of having their doctoral-level grads placed--say, the Ivy Leagues, Berkeley, Stanford? If nobody's hiring, yet all are claiming a shortage, doesn't that mean that the great majority of PhD graduates wouldn't be placed by their respective institutions? Wouldn't that be counterproductive, don't they want to be able to claim 100% placement?

**carlosb** · 08-24-2004 11:29 AM

Originally posted by Han
Gus is exactly right, but I have always been told the schools create the shortage, so their graduates are in high demand. For example, some of the high ranking US schools only accepted 1 or 2 per year, though applications are by the hundreds, if not thousands.

This appears to be true. From what I understand from reading the AACSB site and email replies from them the AACSB accepts RA only doctorates for accreditation purposes. Searching the site I cannot find anything that states instructors must hold doctorates from AACSB schools. Many of the schools themselves are the one making the inflated requirements.

If distance ed RA only doctorates were so inferior I would guess the AACSB would specifically exclued them from acceptance for accreditation purposes.

But they don't.

Just my opinion

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**Han** · 08-24-2004 11:53 AM

Originally posted by mrw142

.... If nobody's hiring, yet all are claiming a shortage, doesn't that mean that the great majority of PhD graduates wouldn't be placed by their respective institutions? .....

I think there are many schools hiring, depending on their hiring cycle. I think they may close positions sometimes, as they feel they did not get the right applicants.

I would be very interested if anybody has first hand experience of an AACSB school's hiring process. From application, to search committee, to interviews, to hiring process.

**mrw142** · 08-24-2004 12:08 PM

My own experiences have been with small colleges and universities. The last position into which I inquired was a business law professorship, tenure-eligible, at Southwestern __________ State University, an AACSB school. They had 69 applicants for one position. I didn't get an interview, the Department Head who also chaired the hiring committee told me that they looked at applicants and whittled them down according to research and writing experience, other postgraduate degrees in addition to the JD, such as MBA , DBA, PhD, DM, LLM, and teaching experience. I had the third, but only for a year, so I wasn't surprised to be out of the mix. They also had a year-to-year non-tenure-eligible lecturer position available in the Business department. I also applied, struck out--12 applicants for one position.

On the other hand, my father-in-law is a tenured professor at a small upper Midwestern private college that regularly makes the US News list of top small colleges--a prestigious 2,500 student school that recently had an opening for a tenure-eligible accounting professorship. My father-in-law said they had only 8 applicants, and he said they were very poor: little experience, no teaching acumen, and they had trouble finding someone with a doctorate willing to consider the position--I don't know if they ever did get anybody hired, they didn't just want to hire the first warm body who happened to have a few years of mediocre business experience and an MBA .

So I guess it depends on the situation and the timing, like you alluded to.

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