PhD/DBA in business or organizational behavior that meets every requirement?

Thanks to everyone for being so patient with my other questions. I now know what I'm looking for, I just can't find it!

Degree: Ph.D./DBA (Accredited)
Residency Requirement: None/Low (Like NCU)
Program Structure: Self Directed (like Walden or Union)

My interest is primarily organizational behavior (psychology/business)

I can't find all the above in a single institution. Does anyone know of one? Either they do all 3 and seem bogus (like Rushmore), they do #2 but are very structured with no flexibility (like NCU), or do #3 but require some ungodly residency requirement.

 

Fielding Graduate Institute. Ph.D. in Human and Organizational Systems. Combines business and psychology precepts well. Short residency. Accredited. While the degree is structured, methods for completing the requirements are flexible.

My favorite short-residency, U.S., doctoral-level school.

 

Wow. Thanks!

 

You may want to look at the program I am enrolled in at Grenoble. I have an unofficial student FAQ at

http://www.denvermullican.com/dba.htm

I am finishing the program next year – it has been challenging and enjoyable. The deadline for applications is July 24 (there is no application fee),

Denver

 

Why do you say Rushmore University seems bogus? I ask this in light of the success of their students (books and articles published) you saw on their webpage and Stanford Professor Pfeffer's article the End of Business Schools (that is now online http://www.aomonline.org/Publications/Articles/BSchools.asp ). which helps explains why they take the approach to education they do.

 

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Nothing bogus about a one-man school that pretends to be in one place (several times) while really being in another. Nothing bogus about a school operating for years with no recognized accreditation. Nothing bogus about a school that keeps moving its license to avoid any form of oustide scrutiny. Nothing bogus about a school that has never been evaluated by any credible agency. And nothing bogus about a school that awards degree that have absolutely no meaning academically.

Nope. Nothing bogus there.

 

Thanks to everyone for your help. Here's what I ended up doing.

I chose NCU and am currently enrolled. They seem to have the best combination of price, reputability, and course selection. I actually didn't realize they let you setup your own concentration - they offer hundreds of courses.

I turned down Union, which looked perfect, because of the price and time commitment requried (I'm half-way to a DBA with an MBA, but not to a Ph.D. in psychology).

I'll keep y'all up to date.

 

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Rich, nothing you mention, whether true or false, takes away from the success of Rushmore students which is documented on their website.

I do not understand how you can call l it a one man operation when they have so may highly qualified professors who obviously are the ones who are working with students writing these books and articles.

If you read Pfeffer's article you will see how little good oversight and accreditation has worked with business schools who have degrees with academic meaning but offer their students a curricuulum that is obsolete anr wastes hundreds of hours of their time.

Obviously the Rushmore because of its ant-establishment approach can not be accredited and can only operate out of a place with little or no regulation.

 

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Rich, the business professionals that become Rushmore students are revolting against “experts” (who are for the most part are tenured professors) who want to force them to study a curriculum that they know is irrelevant to their needs and will waste hundreds of hours of their time as well as boring them to tears in some cases.


As Dr. Pfeffer continues to comment and write on subject of the failure of traditional business schools’ curriculum there will be two things, a drop in business school enrollment and more and more professionals choosing to study at Rushmore.

These rebellious professionals apparently do not want to wait for tenured business professors (the experts) at the traditional business schools who make up the AACSB and other accreditation associations to reform business school curriculums. They want a solution now.

My guess is that they do not think that the “experts” who have created and oversee the business school disaster have the right to review, approve, accredit, provide credible oversight, recognize, legitimize, or be in authority over a competing school that is offering an alternative to their obsolete product. Business school associations and all other associations that accredit traditional business schools and their universities are failures in this respect.

The success (books and papers published, businesses started, promotions etc.) of Rushmore students is what gives Rushmore University credibility, something that the irrelevant curriculums of traditional business schools do not have.

Over time there probably will be more and more rebellious, independent thinking business professionals who believe they know more about what will help them succeed in. Many of them will reject arguments like the ones you offered above, and become students at Rushmore.

 

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Come on! You know the trick, put an ad in the chronicle. "Get to teach online, only few hours a week and good extra cash", you get tons of resumes ("who doesn't like the idea to make extra cash") and you select the ones that have the most impressive credentials. You enroll them as faculty and put them on your web site ("At the end it doesn't cost nothing to enroll them since they are freelance").

You get top quality faculty at no cost. However, are they really faculty? Are they really there for the school? Would they be involved in the school for no salary?. I have been enrolled in few degree mills just by applying to the jobs, I was not even asked and my name was there. I only realized this after doing a google search. A school used my name for long time and I never got at least one student to supervise.

The "rented faculty" scam is old news and if you believe it is a proof of quality then you are naive enough to think this.

Rushmore is as fake as a two dollar coin and all their bull is just a selling pitch for people that don't know better. And by the way, their web site sucks but thy seem to offer the "e-commerce" PhD so go figure.

 

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Rushmore seems to be a great start-up university.

It appears to be an ideal low-cost alternative to attaining

an MBA or PhD.

I wish there were more universities that allowed students to
choose thier own curriculum.

I would like to see how this University progresses in the future; Harvard and many other universities started out somewhere and every university had skeptics; but its the skeptics that urge progressive universities to continue improving.

I have conversed with many of the students at Rushmore and most are successful business persons; additionally, most have been given additional responsibilities and rewards after attaining their degrees.

This university seems to train students using material that is current and relevant.

I would definitely see myself pursuing my PhD here; what better way to be trained that to be trained by successful business men and women -- most of whom are authors.

Anyway, my boss has reviewed the University's offerings and he thinks it is a great way to attain my PhD. My boss runs a multi-million dollar company (talking about revenues) and I hold a senior position in the company; so he would only want good training for me.

I am excited. I have spoken with many of the professors (through email and on the phone) and they are highly successful experts in their fields and they all believe in the Rushmore values.

After enrolling I will continue to post here and I will let you know how I progress.

I recently had a phone conversation with one of the students and he is absolutely delighted with the quality.

I did my research because I am not going to throw away my company's money and I am definitely not going to pursue something that would waste my already very limited time.

The bottom line: We all have opinions and at the end of the day, the choice is yours.

 

LOL. Another Degree Mill shill. These guys are funny!

 

Not a degree at all?..........I think it is a valuable degree.....review the site thoroughly and see for yourself.

Sometimes, new innovative ways of doing things take time to gain acceptance.

I'll await to see future success of students who have attended Rushmore and suspend judgement until then.

As I said, I'll let you know of my progress as time passes on.

 

I've decided to sign up for the PhD and I'll see if its a degree or not at all.

A degree mill? I don't think so. Too much work is involved.

A degree mill is a school that awards degrees in exchange for payment/cash.

It appears that a lot of work must go in to attain degrees from Rushmore.

 

You consider taking only a year to get a Ph.D., and by possibly not writing a paper, but a published article, too much work?

Nope, I don't buy it. If you truly are not a shill, then do some research to dispel your naïveté about what is considered an acceptable workload for a doctorate.

 

I haven't been to thr Rushmore site in some time. When I watched it over a period of a couple years, I found their page on accreditation particularly interesting.

It started as standard mill fare, essentially describing the evils of accreditation, how it doesn't mean diddly, etc. Over the period of a couple years, the page just kept getting longer and longer and longer.

At one point the school had on their site they were seeking accreditation. They did not mention which group (which is appropriate). Eventually, that was dropped.

I went to the site just now. I cannot find anything on accreditation. In the past it was pretty buried, and I looked through several pages, but coupld not find it. It may be there, however if they made it that hard to find, it isn't important to them.

Further, as mentioned in previous posts, Rushmore has moved a number of times. They started in So. Dakota, then moved to a couple other states, and now have their official address in the Grand Caymans. Not exactly the pattern of a serious school.

They have a couple contact numbers, one toll free, the other in Crystal Lake Illinois (near Joliet). I guess toll charges to GC is hefty- or at least would raise eyebrows to US based prospects.

I have no problem with innovation in education. I have a problem with school operators that prey on the unsuspecting. I have problems with operators that use FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt) on people with little understanding of what accreditation means. This includes people in the US as well as outside of the country.

CCU does not go through these gyrations. They have been California approved and non-accredited for a long time. While I chose (based on advice I received from people and my own research) not to go there as it would nbot provide me with what I wanted, I give the school some good marks for being honest and upfront- something I could never do for Rushmore and schools like it.

If the Grand Caymans starts a crackdown- what's the next viable place to move the "school?"

 

How did CCU get into the conversation?

 

Anyway, just to let you guys know:

I have enrolled in the Rushmore PhD program and I hope to graduate in 3 years -- I, like many of the students there hope to publish a book for my dissertation.

As I've said before in this thread, I'll keep you guys informed regarding my progess at Rushmore.