SCUPS strips doctoral programs... AGAIN

Okay, so they took them away for DETC accreditation... fine.

Then they were reinstated and I made a post (which received many responses) about the fact that they reinstated doctoral programs, but still rejected state approved credits/degrees.

Well, I go BACK to SCUPS website today and their doctoral programs are gone... AGAIN.

Anyone have any information?

Thanks.

 

La donna e mobile?

 

ACICS???

I don't understand why DETC didn't work with the like they seem to do with everyone else.

 

SCUPS and PH.D degrees

I spoke with the people at SCUPS today and they told me that they haven't discontinued their Ph.D degrees. They removed them from their web page in order to do some updating. It will be up again soon. If anyone is interested in a Ph.D from SCUPS you can contact them for further information.

TomC.

 

State approved means unaccredited. Unaccredited means that utility could be spotty.

 

Dennis - I don't think you or any of us knows whether DETC would not work with them or if SCUPS decided they did not want to work with DETC.

Mary A

 

Bill,

How does NY State approved fit it? Does NY approval equate accredidation or something like that?

just curious ....


peACE,

ACE

 

The New York Board of Regents is the only state agency recognized by the U.S. Department of Education as an accreditor.

 

why is it that ONLY NEW YORK STATE board of regents is recognized as an Equivalent accreditor and is in the same league as other RA accrediting commission? what is wrong with other states board of regents?

When a NY state approved school is same as a RA or NA school in USA?


Migara

 

This has been discussed previously on this board. New York applied and got it. No other states did. Now the USDoE won't consider any other states.

Same as RA or NA? Probably NA. But I suspect most schools accredited by the Board of Regents also hold some other form of recognized accreditation, making the point moot.

Again, please search the threads.

 

As clarafication: I don't imagine that a school approved by the NY Board of Regents would call themselves "State Approved".

 

I don't know either, but that's never stopped me from speculating.

SCUPS is owned by the same people who own NCU. So the owners have a choice whether to continue operating two schools, or whether to close SCUPS and just concentrate on NCU.

It seems to me that if they intend to keep SCUPS open, then they will want the two schools serving different market segments and not competing with each other by offering product that's too similar.

So SCUPS may have had some program features that they just weren't willing to change in order to get accreditation. They would rather drop the DETC application than lose SCUPS' market niche.

If there's any truth to that, I'd really like to know where SCUPS drew the line and what features they wouldn't modify.

 

Mary

What is with the accrediting commission? DETC seems to be a product in demand. If the around 20 degree granting institutions were approved it would have increased degree granting membership by close to 50 %. Instead they approved none. Given the interest shown, is it perhaps reasonable to conclude that may 1 or 2 of these schools came close enough to meeting the standard.

The proposal for accreditation of doctoral programs will require 2 years of accreditation before an application for doctoral programs is accepted. This would discourage many good unaccredited schools from making application. Is this really in the best interest of DETC? Other accreditors make no such demands.

Interest from degree granting schools has never been so great. Perhaps it is time to step away from the matchbook cover mentality and get on with the program.

 

Dennis, may I suggest that you try looking at the situation objectively rather than through the eyes of a CCU student?

There have been a couple of incidents in the past where schools engaging in highly misleading advertising were still granted DETC accreditation. This hurt their reputation, IMHO. It would seem that perhaps DETC is trying to improve on their reputation. Can you think of a better way? Wouldn't giving mass approval that increased the DETC accredited membership by a huge percentage in one fell swoop carry the risk that people on the outside might frown on it? Thinking that perhaps it is too easy to get DETC accreditation?

What does DETC have to offer its member institutions besides its credibility and reputation? If one wanted to improve DETC's reputation then wouldn't it be wise to be cautious before granting accreditation to CCU, for example, who has been unaccredited for a very long time which will of course mean that it carries a certain amount of unwanted baggage? CCU which was very recently part of the Senate's investigation into degree mill use. Wouldn't you agree that from the DETC point of view it makes a lot of sense to be cautious about granting accreditation to CCU when they can't be sure that something more might come out from this investigation? It would look very bad for the DETC if one of their members was charged with questionable accounting practices by the federal government right after accreditation. Wouldn't you agree that the old saying here "better safe than sorry" should apply?

I'm curious what you meant by the above quote.

 

Indeed, for me, academic quality is the most important element in the asssessment for accreditation.

 

Mary

What I simply meant was DETC was previously renowned for accrediting schools advertized on matchbook covers. When there is so much interest from degree granting schools that it could double such membership in a few years DETC accredits none out of 20. Is it really about quality or more about DETC's inability to make a decision? Are the wrong people on the accrediting commission? Are too few reprentatives from degree granting schools?

 

Pardon my interruption but as one who is several weeks away from earning an M.S. from a DETC school, I can attest I have received a very high quality education.

I say this based upon having studied in graduate programs at several regionally accredited schools.

 

Perhaps they've decided to keep unworthy schools unaccredited. That would be a simpler answer. Schools like CCU and SCUPS are not worthy of DETC accreditation. Perhaps someday, but not yet.

 

You are privy to some confidential information? Perhaps just a gratuitous and uninformed comment. In reality you know nothing about CCU other than that which you choose to invent.

 

At least you chose to be less cowardly and post your attack here.

I didn't say I knew anything in particular. I suggested a simpler answer to why those schools didn't get accredited. You're the one who turned it into something else. It is reasonable to infer that a school which applied to DETC for accreditation and was denied was not worthy of accreditation. It is people with a vested interest in such a school (and who've spent the last year predicting its inevitably successful bid--wrongly) that try to spin it into something else. I hope CCU is successful--when DETC decides, not you.

This board is littered with baseless statements made by you, Dennis. When you've gone back and answered a few of them, then I'll engage you in a discussion. Until then, enjoy your program at a school that some call a degree mill. At least we know it won't be a "bottom feeder R/A degree."* It should be so lucky....

Dennis' words posted elsewhere. Veeeerrrrrrryyyyy nice.