Liberty vs Amberton

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  1. bo79

    bo79 New Member

    Which is a better school? If you had a choice between earning an MBA from Liberty U or Amberton U which would you chose and why?
     
  2. Charles

    Charles New Member

    Liberty University

    Liberty because:

    * It's the "world's most exciting university".
    * Liberty has a traditional campus and all of the trappings associated with traditional colleges.
    * Name recognition.
    * A little face to face time is required at Liberty.
    * Liberty is in Virginia.
    * Liberty appears to have more extensive Distance Learning Program Library Services.
    * Liberty's MBA courses are taught by full-time Liberty faculty.
    * I like Jerry Falwell.
     
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  3. Amberton University

    Amberton because:

    * It is regionally accredited (SACS)
    * Its MBA courses are taught by some full-time faculty and some adjuncts, all of whom have "real world" business experience
    * It is the lowest cost regionally accredited MBA around ($200 per credit)
    * The program requires no on-campus presence, and the courses are structured so that you can adapt the program to your work and life schedule(s)
    * Amberton is in Texas
    * Amberton has a great online library, including access to EBSCO
    * I don't like Jerry Falwell.

    In fact, unless you want to be associated with the fringe of the right-wing / ultra-conservative Christian nut-cases in this country, I wouldn't even consider Liberty....
     
  4. Ultimale

    Ultimale New Member

    Amberton

    Hey Bo,
    The answer will ultimately depend on what needs are. What is perfect for one person, is wrong for another. I chose Amberton for several reasons.

    1. Strategic leadership; I loved the courses that make up this major.
    2. RA: Like Liberty, regionally accred.
    3. Terrific Student support.
    4. VA MGIB eligible
    5. Christian based (but not obnoxious about it)
    6. Affordable, and flexible payment options ($600 per class)
    7. Excellent student recommendations

    I have thoroughly enjoyed my experience at Amberton thus far. There is a ton of work, but it I am learning a lot too :)
     
  5. Re: Amberton University

    What if he was asking about Touro, and somebody responded that you shouldn't consider it "unless you want to be associated with the fringe of left wing/ultra-socialist Jewish nut-cases in this country"?

    You would be the first one to whine to Tait, asking that the thread be closed and the poster be banished. You are not only viciously anti-Christian, you are a hypocrite as well.

    Let's see how long this post lasts before the other hypocrites leap into action to protect people from the truth.
     
  6. Marylars

    Marylars New Member

    I took a look at many, many programs when choosing my MBA program. I opted for Amberton, but Liberty was my second choice. As you can see by the notes from the prior posters, it all depends on what you are looking for in an MBA program.

    I was looking primarily for an RA program that had a brick and mortar component. I was hoping to find a program from a Christian school and both of them fit the criteria.

    Like Ultimale, I, too, like the Strategic Leadership emphasis and, since my previous employer did not offer tuition reimbursement, up until very recently, I had been paying for most of this degree myself; cost was definitely a factor.

    I am pleasantly surprised at how hard I have had to work on this degree, but quite pleased that Amberton has not been a cakewalk. On a side note: I have a good friend who is doing her MBA through UofP and, dollar for dollar, course for course, I feel like I am definitely earning my degree and getting my money's worth. (She has pretty much said the same thing -- and was shocked at the cost of my program vs the cost of her program).

    My next big project is to start looking at PhD or EdD programs and I am certainly looking at Liberty's program as one of the possibilities. My ultimate professional goal is to do some adjunct teaching in addition in addition to remaining in my current Sr. level HR position. Since I work for a large school district, I'm thinking Liberty's EdD in Educational Leadership might be a very good fit.

    That said, I'd recommend either one of the programs without reservation. Again, it all depends on what is important to you.
     
  7. Re: Re: Amberton University

    Well, first of all I woudn't shut down someone's opinion on Touro, although there is clearly a difference between an anti-Semitic post and one that ATTACKS anti-Semites (i.e., Falwell and company).

    Furthermore, I am not anti-Christian. I do not think Falwell and his ilk represent true Christianity - they instead hearken to a time when Popes ruled the world, when witches were burned, and heretics tortured in dank dungeons throughout Europe.

    This world needs enlightenment, not a return to the religion of death that Falwell thinks Christianity is all about....
     
  8. Re: Re: Re: Amberton University

    In your view anti-Christian or anti-Catholic bigotry is okay, and anyone who disagrees is anti-Semitic. Thanks for making that clear.
     
  9. bo79

    bo79 New Member

    Re: Liberty University

    I can see LU having good name recognition because you live in Virginia. However I live in Toronto so I'm not sure how much name recognition LU would have in my case.
     
  10. bo79

    bo79 New Member

    Thanks for your input everyone.

    I find that AU has some more interesting sounding courses then LU. Also $600 per grad course from an RA school is a price that can't be beat. I have not seen a better deal.

    The thing that I like about LU is that it's more of a traditional school. The big question that I have about LU is since the school was started by Jerry Falwell, I am concerned about how welcoming the supportive is the school towards gay students?

    I live and work in Toronto. So I would like to know which school would have better name recognitionin Toronto?
     
  11. se94583

    se94583 New Member

    Re: Re: Re: Amberton University

    This sort of hate-filled bigotry and uninformed drivel seems out of place for the main forum, discussing academics, not politics/religion?

    You want to attack Falwell, there's plenty of room, and places to do so. But LU's academics are at issue here, not whether one agree's with a particular preacher's philosophy.

    Perhaps move this post elsewhere, or delete?


    FWIW: I do not hold a degree from LU.
     
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  12. AV8R

    AV8R Active Member

    Re: Amberton University


    Carl is respect-challenged. He has a very hard time showing respect to others who have differing opinions from his own. My guess is that Carl was dressed in the "doesn't play well with others" t-shirt as a boy.
     
  13. Jack Tracey

    Jack Tracey New Member

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Amberton University

    My understanding is that Falwell founded this school and continues to play a big role in it's administration. Under those conditions, you can not dissociate academics from the philosophies of the founder. This may be a positive thing for some, or a negative thing for others. This is not bigotry, it's common sense. As far as I know, Liberty is a fine school with high academics standards. However, despite this, it carries with it a flavor of right-wing conservatism (deserved or non-deserved) due to the ongoing association with Falwell. This is a popular (meaning generally well-known) association. Carl did not invent this association, he is only describing a "side-effect" to earning a Liberty degree. One might experience a different sort of side-effect by earning a degree from Notre Dame, Yeshiva, or Harvard.
    Jack
    (BTW, Liver is a non-entity and should be totally ignored)
     
  14. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Um, is that a joke? This is a school where the course description for Biology 101, at least that I read a few years ago, includes a positive mention of creationism.

    -=Steve=-
     
  15. Liberty vs. Amberton

    Amberton is a nice university/college that doesn't push its openly Christian agenda down anyone's throat, and in fact contains coursework that probes and questions, and allows students to explore difficult topics of faith, ethics, and business in a non judgmental fashion.

    Liberty? Well, I'm sure there are some who will rave about it. Those who are comfortable adopting the mythology of the Christian right. Those who believe in those "day of judgment" movies, and think it is all literal and about to happen soon. Those who prefer to dwell in fantasy rather than scientific reality.

    Those who are dupes of Falwell's evil agenda.

    That isn't academics. That isn't even education. It is just plain propaganda for a vicious political agenda that would certainly bring a new dark age to the world should this group of madmen ever gain even more political power than they already wield over the conservative wing of the Republican party.

    I'm sorry. I prefer objective education. Thank you very much.
     
  16. pugbelly

    pugbelly New Member

    <<Liberty? Well, I'm sure there are some who will rave about it. Those who are comfortable adopting the mythology of the Christian right. Those who believe in those "day of judgment" movies, and think it is all literal and about to happen soon. Those who prefer to dwell in fantasy rather than scientific reality.>>

    Well, I had taken some time off from posting to actually do a little course work, but Carl's post was enough to bring me back. The ignorance is astounding. I don't mean that in a, "I'm calling you a name" kind of way, but rather in the true sense of the word. When it comes to LU, and especially the "Christian Right" as a whole, Carl is ignorant. Carl, the fact is that you don't have enough information or education about the "Christian Right" or LU to make such sweeping comments and generalizations. I am a conservative Christian, I think Liberty University is a good school, I believe in creationism (not a literal 6 day), and I think Falwell is an idiot. So, as you can see, I don't fit your generalizations. I think you will find that the majority of LU students don't associate the school with Falwell. In fact, most of the people I have talked to (I live the the Maryland/Virginia area), don't associate the school with Falwell. Furthermore, many don't even associate the school with religion anymore. Your views of the school are outdated, and your views of Christianity are one dimensional, uninformed, and simply ignorant. Clearly, your ability to flawlessly interpret scripture is superhuman, thus giving you the right to label a more literal/conservative view as being fantasy and mythology. Good for you! You should write a book that clears up all the faulty interpretions that are floating around. If you have the ability to set the record straight, by all means do it.


    Pug
     
  17. Jack Tracey

    Jack Tracey New Member

    Pug - I won't claim to know much about the "religious right" regardless of the denomination, but if the majority of LU students don't associate Liberty with Falwell, the man who founded the school and continues to serve as the Chancellor, then I'd have to say that it is those students who are ignorant, not Carl.
    Jack
     
  18. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    Distance education - they don't ask - you don't tell.

    Why would you have any desire to attend a school whose very doctrine would be negative to you??
     
  19. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Hey! Religion is religion, but BUSINESS is BUSINESS!
     
  20. se94583

    se94583 New Member

    I'm sorry, the ignorance and hate of one particular poster has made this a hostile environment. I want this sort of crap, I can go to, inter alia, democraticunderground.com. I thought people here at least had a bit of decorum that comes from actually attended higher education. And were interested in discussing DL versus some political or religious agenda.

    Why don't someone start a thread about Notre Dame so we can bash Catholics, or Hebrew U so we can drag out any closet anti-semites? And don't forget about the historically Black schools... don't want to leave any bigot behind!

    LU, despite whoever founded it or works there, is an accreddited school, and a leader in quality DL, long before many of the "names" currently in the business ever had a foot in that pond.
     
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