Are anyone can use langwidge?

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by John Bear, Apr 26, 2001.

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  1. John Bear

    John Bear Senior Member

    So I went into the Canadian School of Management in Toronto last week. Fairly large space in a newer downtown office building. Two people visible. One asked if I would like their calendar (= Canadian & British word for catalogue). Yes. And I was handed it. Nicely printed. And in big black bold letters on the cover, it says
    CALENDER
    ----------------------------------------------------
    Airline magazines read all week. The school ads are getting bigger and bigger, both the non-wonderfuls (Columbus, Madison, etc.), and those properly accredited.

    Big ad from Concord University School of Law:

    Earn Your
    LAW DEGREE
    from the Nation's
    "First" Online
    Law School -
    Taught by Leading
    Legal Educators
    JURIS DOCTOR or EXECUTIVE JD (SM)


    I guess it's only the putting of "First" in quotation marks that I find amusing. And I guess the "SM" means that "Executive JD" is their own Service Mark.
     
  2. bing

    bing New Member

    About two years ago I found a spelling error in a Purdue University catalog. They spelled it Purdeu instead of Purdue. I brought it to president's attention but never did receive a response.

    With degree mills I have found it nearly the norm for spelling errors in their literature.

    Bing


     
  3. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Perhaps they meant "COLLANDER."

    That outfit has always puzzled me. From their affiliation (co-ownership?) with the equally mecurial Northland Open University to their on-again/off-again relationship with DETC, to their "International University Without Walls" gig that may or may not have been an affilition with the real UWW, to their "fellowships" and other non-degree titles that result in degrees awarded by other schools, to....sigh. [​IMG]

    BTW: I logged onto their site. They're offering the doctorate (by thesis, and not long one, either), but I don't know which school is awarding it; probably IMC or Southern Cross.

    John: does the "calender" say anything about it?

    Everyone: Southern Cross is in Australia. Does it meet GAAP?

    Rich Douglas
     
  4. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Bah, it does. I should've looked first. Sorry.

    If this is all true, it looks like one could earn a doctorate from Southern Cross (Ph.D. or Doctor of Management, possibly a D.B.A., too) through CSM. Pretty cheap, too. And I imagine the administrative hassles for U.S. students would be far less dealing with CSM than with a school half a world away.

    Rich Douglas, who may just look into this a bit more.
     
  5. H. Piper

    H. Piper member

    Originally posted by Rich Douglas:
    Perhaps they meant "COLLANDER."

    [​IMG]

    John: does the "calender" say anything about it?


    Hmmm. Yet another calendar issue. But Rich is willing to comment on this one, unlike his buddy Enrique's September 31 gaffe, to which I never saw a Rich reply.

    Another difference here is that the last time a thread was directed toward spelling and grammatical errors, Rich (who has 317 of this board's 5270 posts...is he leading the league?) had this to say about the one reporting the errors: As usual, this poster has too much time on his/her hands, and continues to parse nothing to get nothing. (I'm reminded of another poster on this board who criticized me for picking on grammar; he was right. It really is lame.)

    http://www.degreeinfo.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000423.html

    Of course, the finder of those errors was me, not John Bear, and those errors (not just one) that I found are in MIGS literature.

    I guess the words that come to my mind (smarm, hypocrisy, etc.) would undoubtedly lead to this post being (cronyism) censored by Tom Nixon, so...

    I would like instead to compliment Rich on his flair with those comical cartoon faces in his posts, and nominate one BillDayson for the first ever DegreeInfo.com "Voice of Sanity" award. Do I hear a second?
     
  6. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Do I lead the league? [​IMG] Do I really win the Smiley Award? [​IMG] You like me, you really like me! [​IMG]

    Again, no issues, just, well, you know. [​IMG]

    Rich Douglas, who still thinks the MIGS/CEU connection can turn out to be terrific (but it better get going!) [​IMG]

    Geez, it took me forever to get the hang of using the Smileys, now I'm a bad guy for using them. That's cool. [​IMG]
     
  7. tcnixon

    tcnixon Active Member

    A better sentence might be "...would undoubtedly being cronyistically censored by..."

    Gee, I always wanted to be a crony. Thanks!


    Tom Nixon
    (Rich Douglas' crony -- must be because we're both National University alums)
     
  8. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    H. Piper, good to see you back. Am I losing my mind, or didn't you swear a couple months back that you were resigning from this group, never to return?

    Bruce
     
  9. Peter E. Tucker

    Peter E. Tucker New Member

    If anyone can make head or tail of the CSM website at http://www.c-s-m.net/imcass/VUs/CSM/frames.htm
    then you are a smarter person than I (but maybe that isn't saying too much).



    ------------------
    Peter Tucker
    Australia
     
  10. bing

    bing New Member

    it's an extremely poor website, as i have mentioned before. not only csm but the imc and action learning sites are equally poor.

    bing

     
  11. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    They're not very straight-forward in their approach. I imagine some of it has to do with CSM not having degree-granting authority in Ontario. They have to sift everthing through their it's-academic-but-not-a-degree filter. From what I can tell (and I've had a long phone call plus traded several e-mails with them), CSM conducts instruction towards their "Graduate" and "Fellow" designations. These, in turn, get you a bachelor's or master's, respectively, from IMC. It looks like IMC does the doctoral program, which also results in a CSM "Post-Fellow."

    IMC owns CSM.

    As soon as I get my most recent questions to them answered, I'll post the results.

    Rich Douglas
     
  12. Neil Hynd

    Neil Hynd New Member

    Which reminds me that (I think) the US Declaration of Independence has quite a few spelling "inconsistencies" .....

    I'm currently using a book entitled "English Grammer" (sic) to teach some English to Arabic students so I can then teach them other things.

    It has many such charming typos - but its biggest advantage is that the rules of English are explained in Arabic, so the students understand in a way that's intended for them !!!

    A small price to pay .......

    Cheers,

    Neil

     
  13. John Bear

    John Bear Senior Member

    So I am reading on a forum about degrees by distance learning that the U.S. Declaration of Independence has "many spelling inconsistencies." Actually I don't seem to find any (http://www.nara.gov/exhall/charters/declaration/declaration.html). Indeed, but for the then-current spelling of "compleat," it could have been written last week.

    Now I'd like to share my favorite recipe for peach cobbler. . .
     
  14. Guest

    Guest Guest

    I love peach cobbler John!

    It makes for a relaxing and fun filled evening to sit down with a tall glass of iced tea, a warm dish of peach cobbler, and a degree mill catalog. Delicious food, and comical reading! Man, thats the life! [​IMG]

    Russell
     
  15. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Neil:

    From what source did you glean this information? Reference book, library, Internet, Century University curriculum, etc.?

    Russell
     
  16. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    I suppose that it is relevant to ask what kind of language errors they are.

    Spelling errors that aren't systematic are probably typing/proofreading errors. That's basically trivial, in my opinion, although they may be an indicator of carelessness. If they don't take care with their promotional materials, will they take care with your assignments?

    But systematic spelling errors or glaring grammatical errors do suggest poor written language skills. That suggests that whoever wrote the materials was not very well educated, and perhaps points to deeper problems concerning staff qualifications.

    One complicating factor that is common here in California is the tremendous number of immigrants that are flooding American cities. Some of these people have decent educations but terrible English language skills. So increasingly often we see materials written by individuals for whom English is a second language, and these materials are sometimes embarrassingly bad.

    What is interesting is how this is becoming more and more socially accepted. There is less and less expectation that professional writing will be well done.
     
  17. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    H.Piper, I'm pleased to see your return.

    I agree that BillDayson is a "Voice of Sanity" especially since I agree with him so often. On the other hand since I agree with him so often that fact alone would probably make him ineligible for any kind of sanity award, sorry.
     
  18. Neil Hynd

    Neil Hynd New Member

    Good question Russell,

    From memory I'm afraid (which is usually very good at that sort of thing) - and I think the reference was to the original (hand-written) document ... not the versions readable as per John's web site reference.

    Also the same words were spelled differently when repeated within the document ...

    Or it may have been the Consitution - or not !!!

    Don't lose any sleap over it !!!

    Cheers,

    Neil

     
  19. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Eye git id. Gud won, Kneel.

    Which Dugless
     
  20. Tracy Gies

    Tracy Gies New Member

    --Snipped--

    Neil,

    I don't believe that spelling was standardized until the mid 1850s. Therefore, there couldn't have really been any spelling inconsistencies if there was no standard by which to judge proper spelling.


    Tracy Gies <><
    ----------------------
    Though in reviewing the incidents of my Administration I am unconscious of intentional error, I am nevertheless too
    sensible of my defects not to think it probable that I may have committed many errors. Whatever they may be, I fervently
    beseech the Almighty to avert or mitigate the evils to which they may tend.
    -George Washington, in his Farewell Address, 1796
     

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