British Engineering Council / City & Guilds

I'm in my final stage of obtaining the Incorporated Engineering (IEng) Title from the Engineering Council (EC) through the Institution of Incorporated Engineers (IIE).

Once I receive this title it will be transferable to a City & Guilds Graduateship diploma (GCGI).

Does anyone have experience or advise with transferring these awards back into the United States education system and at what level will they be interpreted?

 

I earned an UK Ordinary Nationional Certficate and a Higher National Certificate in mechanical engineering. The UK Institute of Mechanical Engineers (IME) endorsed them and considered along with work experience towards various IME membership levels.

I had these certs evaluated towards my USNY (Excelsior) BS. I only received lower level credit even though I am still using my textbooks from that time to design spacecraft.

When I submitted this qualifications for evaluation I compiled a report with copies of my certs, course contents, text books, and corresponding US college courses. I do not know if this extra effort helped or not, but I was satisfied with the amount of credit I received. Incidently my USNY transcript credits these courses to the Instition of Mechanical Engineers.

I would expect that you would receive lower div credit for your C&G qualifications.

 

Ian,

First of all.... thank you for responding on a subject that is rare.

I have spoke with others on another disscussion board and I'm getting mixed results.

http://www.collegehints.com/boards/showthread.php?t=837

I believe the answer is........the assessment will be based upon what foreign credit evaluator service a person uses, and what university the student is intending to receive credit acceptance with. The acceptance can vary on perspective or snobbery by the assessor or university.


Thank you again Ian,

Paul

 

Hi Paul,

I am going through a similar process with the Eng Council (UK), and hope to have the IEng registration wrapped up with the IEE in the next two months. I read the College Hints correspondence and 'Boris' is (from my experience) almost correct. The approach I have taken is to use the Washington and Sydney Accord's to my advantage, and cut out the possible unnecessary cost of any evaluation. Contact the IIE and get a copy of both accords (or download them from their website). The question is - what do you want the evaluation for. If you want registration as a professional engineer, ABET will recognise CEng. Unfortunately there is no agreement for IEng or EngTech with the USA, so you will have to approach ASCET to find out what their requirements for registration are. Your registration as an IEng will be recognised in Canada, South Africa, New Zealand, Ireland, etc... so working as an engineer / technologist in the Sydney Accord countries is no problem. If you want you can mail me directly.

Regards

Colin

 

Goal

Colin,

My goal is basically to see how far I can milk this title.

Worst case, I would like to advance in my American job status.

Best Case, I would like to skip into a Masters program at Indiana State University by receiving exemption for the Bachelors requirement.

I however don't believe the later will be fully accepted because most universities want their money and they lose out if they give exemptions.

Paul

 

Paul,

From what I have seen is that a CEng title will get you a lot further, it is not called the 'gold standard' for nothing. As you know the academic benchmark under SARTOR 3 is an MEng, then you still have to prove to the EC (UK) that you are a competent engineer. If you are able to comply with the academic requirements then try get registered as a CEng. That is my next step - get advice from my institution on what 'matching section' is required, get their approval on the route to achieving that matching section and start studying. I have been advised to act quickly with the 'route to CEng' after IEng registration, as SARTOR 3 will soon be replaced.

If you want to study at Masters level with no first degree, and DL suits you then try a British University. They should have no problem with accepting your IEng registration. What would you like to study at Masters level?

Colin

 

SARTOR 3 has already been replaced effective 1 March 2004. The UK SPEC defines the new route to registration.

I'm also aiming for the CEng, but the IEE currently has assessed my qualification to IEng level.

 

Congratulations

Felipe,

I would be happy with an IEng title. You can always upgrade later.

Congratulations on your title, it must feel nice to be recognized!

Paul

 

Re: Congratulations

Thanks Paul,

I'm curious about the GCGI title from City & Guilds. Is it awarded just like a BSc, which doesn't require continuous membership to retain the title? I tried to look for info from their website but couldn't find any.

Will be glad to hear for more info about this.

Regards,

 

My website has a direct link to the City and Guilds of London Institute. You can get a application from them or an Engineering Council institution like the IEE, IIE, etc.

You must be at the Incorporated Engineering level for the GCGI Award. Their is a processing fee of 180 pounds sterling last time I checked but this may have changed.

http://www.angelfire.com/de3/electronicbsdegree/

 

Paul,

I found it...it's on Senior Awards page...


Thanks,

 

The Graduateship Diploma in Engineering from the City and Guilds of London Institute is recognised under Royal Charter as being equivalent to a British Honours Degree. However, since it is based on your IEng registration with the EC(UK) you will not be issued any transcripts showing coursework completed (since there isn't any).

The only thing you will be able to present a university is the actual certificate issued which indicates that you hold a Graduateship in Engineering. I have heard that British universities are pretty open to accepting the GCGI senior award to admission to a master's program, however, I doubt you will get the same response in Canada or the United States.

The City and Guilds of London Institute is an old and established institution that was founded in 1878 and recieved a Royal Charter in 1900, so any qualification from C&G is valuable in its own right. Good luck.

 

Although now out of date this US authored book, undertaken under the aegis of the National Science Foundation, give a broad insight into British scientific and technology qualifications including degree, C&GLI, and Professional institutions.
Payne, L. P., "Britain's Scientific and Technological Manpower", Stanford University Press, 1960.