Do businesses really know what the AACSB stands for?

I wonder how many businesses that support AACSB know exactly what they are supporting? Has anyone done research into the perception of what exactly AACSB accreditation entails? Has anyone surveyed the business world to find out if they know that there are THREE accreditation agencies for a subject that requires no licensure? Talking business here, not accounting.

If I were going for a Ph D (no way, not even sure if I want the mba anymore!) I would do a survey with questions like the following:


You local AACSB accredited school needs to assign two instructors to give marketing classes to your employees on site. Which of the following would THE SCHOOL consider as the top two candidates for the positions? (Choose two)

A. Candidate A has a RA only MBA but an excellent track record in the business world. He currently is the VP of a major marketing firm. Background in training salespeople. Has experience as an adjunct at other business schools

B.Candidate B has an AACSB MBA with limited marketing experience at a low level. Has limited experience as an adjunct.

C. Candidate C has a Ph D in Business from AACSB School but no significant real world experience. Currently full time at the school

D. Candidate D has a DBA and MBA from a RA only school and an excellent track record in the business world. She is the VP of a major marketing firm. Background in training people. Has significant experience as an adjunct at other business schools.


Same question but what two would you (the business) choose?


From what I gather here the AACSB school would want B & C but the real world business would much prefer A & D. At least at my employer.


Just my opinion

 

Which would I choose in which capacity, hiring a business professor I think part of the accreditation process is to have X number of full time AACSB professors. Not sure though, but that would lend me to pick the AACSB student. You named 4 very different circumstances. I could see where AACSB plays a role in similar circumstances. For example, let's say there is 2 candiate C's. One from RA, one from AACSB, all other things being equal.......

In my local univeristy, you can't get through the search committee to the hiring committee without an AACSB degree. So it is dependant on the school and requirements.

 

Curious with what I would find, I searched Monster.com for AACSB. I got only two results (from the same company - Westar Corporation.) For their accounting positions they required the bachelor degree to be from an AACSB accredited school. But for their HR positions, they didn't.

Tony

I thought I would get more results.

 

I read on another thread that they are moving headquarters. In my experience in calling conversing with the office, it seems there are only about 10 people that work there, all in management / director positions. I would love to see a company profile.

They have many inaccuracies on their website, and not very timely in responses (some take 2-3 months jus tto say, we are working on it).

I would be interested to know there details.

 

Are you talking about this Westar?
http://www.westar.com/

 

No, a recent thread stated that AACSB is moving headquarters.

I would like to see a company profile on AACSB - how big are they, revenues, number of employees, etc.

 

Re: Re: Do businesses really know what the AACSB stands for?

What school is this? Will make sure it is not on my list

So this school would arbitrarily eliminate a successful pro with an excellent track record simply because they earned a DBA from a RA but non AACSB school? That is absurd IMHO

Shouldn't the job of the search committee be to provide the BEST instructors available?

Dumb question, I know...

Just my opinion

 

Re: Re: Do businesses really know what the AACSB stands for?

Not surprised....looks to me the AACSB is a club that full time instructors need to impress each other.

The purpose of hiring an MBA in the REAL WORLD private sector is to maximize the profits of the shareholders, plain and simple. To exclude a highly qualified pool of MBA s due to some unnecessary additional accreditation is foolish to say the least.

I find this discussion to be amazing. Simply amazing

Just my opinion

 

Re: Re: Re: Do businesses really know what the AACSB stands for?

http://www.csus.edu/fas/vacancies/Finance.htm

The example is above, I thought it was the norm, but it seems that others do not rule out as a minimum NON-AACSB degrees. You can't get your foot in the door without it, as I have been told.

Every school is entitled to their opinion, and that is the minimum to them. This is not a top tier school, and I have searched higher end, and they do not have faculty that are non-AACSB accredited , if they have the accrediation. I guess it is logical, if your school hold the accrediation, the faculty supporting the school should hold it, they find value in it.

I have had limited exposure to RA, and have not been impressed, actually very diappointed, but I know mine are limited cases.

 

Hi Han,
I need to go a little off topic for a second.
First, I remember you taught as an adjuct at Sacramento, what do you think of the MSBA Taxation program and do you have any idea it has such a misleading (imo) name?
Also, how are you doctoral studies going?

Tony

FWIW Utah Valley State College, seeking AACSB accreditation, has a de facto requirement of AACSB for prospective business faculty.
(Although I can't verify by posting a link as there are no positions open at this time)

 

Let me make sure I have this right:

If I choose an AACSB school my potential faculty will be drawn from a pool of AACSB instructors only.

If I choose a non AACSB school my potential faculty will be drawn from both AACSB and non AACSB instructors therefore giving the school a much larger pool of instructors.


Also looks like most of the AACSB schools are large public tax payer supported schools.

Just reinforces my desire to go non- AACSB IF I do the mba

But I will be honest. Seriously beginning to doubt the need for an mba.

Just my opinion

 

I am teaching part time, it is so much more rewarding, in a word, awesome!!!!

Doctoral studies, I am in the first year, very tough, but I think I can get through. The next year will tell how things are going.

I have been investigating the Taxation program just from an interst point of view, I will look into it more in the next few months. I do not know enough yet to have an opinion, but the website says it is completely online.

 

I see that aacsb has a conference on DL in the near future:
http://www.aacsb.edu/conferences/events/conferences/dlc-may-04-desc.asp

 

I recently spoke with an associate that is an adjunct at an AACSB school. She told me she receives a whopping $1800 per undergraduate 40 hour - 3 credit hour class. If my math is correct this is only $45 / hr not including office time for grading of papers etc. She only has a masters but plenty of teaching experience.

Is this on the really low side of compensation or is this the average for adjuncts? If this is what AACSB schools pay what the heck does non AACSB pay?

Pretty sad

Just my opinion

 

Carlosb,

about $1500 per course for online (non AACSB). While the salary isn't head turning the work is appealing from my stand point. I know of others who make a higher salary but I believe subject, demand, etc... all play a role in the salary expectations. I have a friend who adjuncts in addition to his regular courses and makes about $5000 for B&M classes (AACSB business classes) during the summer.

 

University of Tulsa also has a MTAX degree that can be completed online, also AACSB.

 

Online I can understand. You do not have the commute and fixed hours to contend with. But for an in-classroom situation I would expect more than $1800.

I sometimes train salespeople for my company and do some employee motivational courses, also in-house. Talk about personal satisfaction. When I see one of my trainees succeed it is a very satisfying experience. Motivating an employee to attain job satisfaction and continue their education is also exciting for me.

But no desire ever to teach for a college. Way too much bureaucracy for me. I can just see having some Ph D that never sold anything more than a hamburger at Mc Donalds try to tell me how to teach a sales\marketing class.

Sure........................


Just my opinion

 

the only way to change the perception is to have experienced folks returning to the classroom with their experience. I think adjuncting is the perfect forum to bring this practical application of your knowledge in to the academic classroom. And while I have the same issues as yourself with professors who don't bring anything beyond academia to the class (there are many that do) I believe that rather than disparage I will try to do my part to dispell this notion by adjuncting. And despite the possible lack of practical experience, they earned the PhD, so I will accord them their due.

would you like fries with that?

 

Most 3-semester unit courses require 45 hours of classroom attendance. So $1800/45 hours = $40/hr (or $120 per week per course). My local community college pays adjunct faculty $44 per lecture hour and $36 per lab hour. So your associate's pay is about right. http://www.collegeofthedesert.edu/uploadedFiles/Mathptvac.pdf

 

Think supply and demand. They have a very large pool of acceptable applicants and a limited number of openings. Why would they be paying more?