The Trinity Web

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by BillDayson, Apr 18, 2001.

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  1. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    Here's just a few websites and questionable "universities" that seem to be related to one another in a loose network. Some of them share identical text. Some operate "universities" with identical names. Some are registered to the same people.

    Starting with Earlscroft http://www.earlscroft.com

    Earlscroft shares identical text with two off-shore tax evasion websites that offer to sell you fake passports, bogus drivers licenses, anonymous maildrops and off-shore bank accounts along with your phony degrees: http://www.ptshamrock.com and http://www.privacy-consultants.com/degrees/

    And of course there's always Capitol University http://surf.to/degrees which has similar text as well. Capitol may have recently budded off a new BVI 'university' called Concordia College http://www.concordia-college.net It claims the same "accreditor" as Capitol (the DGAA).

    PTShamrock operates a Trinity College and University, and Privacy-consultants (whose website is presently being modified) uses a name of the form 'xyz-consultants'.

    That leads us to SES-consultants: http://www.ses.u-net.com/educatio.htm

    Besides operating another version of Trinity College and University, SES-consultants also operates something called the School of Natural Health Sciences http://www.ses-consultants.co.uk/snhs/ and an ESL school called Robaco Global http://www.ses.u-net.com/robaco/index.htm

    SES-consultants' client list is interesting, since it contains two (hopefully unwitting) members of the European Parliament. http://www.ses.u-net.com/clients.htm There is a rather horsey theme to this client list.

    SES leads us directly to http://www.learnbymail.com
    They operate yet another Trinity College and University, and another version of the School of Natural Health Sciences.

    In addition they have the National College of Holistic Medicine http://www.learnbymail.com/main/cma.htm and the Professional Therapist's Training Academy, London. http://www.learnbymail.com/PTTA/index.htm

    Learnbymail.com is registered to MBC Thoroughbred Chambers outside Torquay, Devon. This continues the horse theme, and isn't far from the alleged home of Earlscroft's phony accreditor in Exmouth Devon.

    Trinity College and University and the name 'xyz-consultants' jumps the Atlantic in the form of Degree-consultants. http://www.degreeconsultants.com
    Besides yet another Trinity College and University, they also operate Ashington University http://www.ashingtonuniversity.co.uk Academia College http://www.college-degrees.com and 1-2-3-College Degree http://www.college-degrees.org

    The Degree-consultants Trinity C&U maintains a British connection by with an unrecognized accreditor whose website is registered in Wales http://www.aoaex.org

    They also run some Belgian sites in Flemish and French including http://www.learn.at/trinity.university and http://www.fastdiploma.cjb.net

    Degree-consultants has acquired an apparent marketing arm in Los Angeles called 4-college. http://www.4-college.com and numerous variations. Besides many links to Degree-consultants' operations, they also link to a porn site at 4-college-girls and to on-line gambling at http://www.4-a-casino.com I'm not sure if these are all related, but they do fit the PTShamrock and Privacy-consultants style. It's a bit below SES and their parliament and dressage team associations though. (You have your refined Trinity's and your tough east-London street Trinity's.) Another interesting variation is http://www.4-college-financing.com

    An archaeological relic of the empire is found at http://www.trinityeducation.com This now defunct site is registered to Dr. Anthony Peel-Bayley in Fuengirola (Malaga) Spain. He may have been the guy that originally started Trinity College and University before it was taken over by several syndicates. There is still a sad little advertisement for Peel-Bayley's site at http://www.degreecertificates.com This crude one page site is registered to a woman in Surrey.

    This is just the tip of the iceberg. But there are already 16 questionable universities here, if you count the five Trinity versions as being separate. There are strange educational consultants and weird accreditors. And there are the off-shore tax evasion websites, and perhaps even some pornography and gambling.

    One wonders whether weird universities might just be a sideline for these people, and their main operations may be elsewhere: in gambling, questionable "business services" or whatever. But I have only been snooping around the school websites so I'm not sure what else they are doing.

    One thing is clear. This is not your back of the insurance agency type of operation. It is organized, international and involves a whole lot of people involved with some very shady things.
     
  2. MarkIsrael@aol.com

    [email protected] New Member

  3. telefax

    telefax Member

    Wow

    Good research, Bill D.
     
  4. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Are you suggesting a mill mafia of sorts?
     
  5. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    Re: Wow

    It's three years old. This is one of Mark's revivals. Many of the links are now dead or altered.

    It's probably not worth discussing at this late date.

    I have no way of knowing in this particular case, though it clearly was an international syndicate (or perhaps several) with interests that extended beyond running questionable "universities".

    I have speculated on other threads that organized crime probably takes an interest in all sorts of internet money engines, including fake universities along with online gambling, "business services" and porn.

    But again, this isn't necessarily that.

    Actually, this bunch seems to have declined in importance and are less prominent today than they were three years ago.

    The most active network today seems to be that revolving around Hoyer, SRU, IUFS, weird Swiss/Russian medical theories, "homeland security" that's forced to flee its homeland, the Liberian embassy, self-styled Indian chiefs and cosmonauts, Sheila D. and pecking chickens with impressive academic qualifications.

    But there's kind of a amateurishness to all that stuff that makes me think that it's probably not mobsters.
     
  6. snhs

    snhs New Member

    The Trinity Web - Update

    I have just come across a very old posting (2001) which makes derogatory reference to a domain name which my company has since purchased.

    The article refers to the degree mill run by a wholly disreputable individual who calls himself Dr. Anthony Peel-Bayley. His degree mill is called Trinity College and University.

    Some years ago he also owned The School of Natural Health Sciences. Mrs. Julia Vaughn-Griffiths and myself purchased this from Bayley in September 2001. At that time we also registered a limited company, SNHS Ltd. In 2002 we purchased the domain name www.learnbymail.com , not from Bayley who never owed it but from one of his website designers.

    The School of Natural Health Sciences / SNHS Ltd it now run to the highest educational and ethical standard and does most certainly NOT offer degrees.

    I hope this will set the record straight.

    Regards

    Jack Cox BSc. Dip. H.E.
    Operations Director
    The School of Natural Health Sciences
    SNHS Ltd.
     
  7. galanga

    galanga New Member

  8. Jodokk

    Jodokk Member

    Hi Mark!

    Wow!
    I haven't been on for a while and I am very happily surprised to see Mark Israel back on board. If this is old news, sorry. Anyhow, it's nice to see you back. I hope you are doing well.
    Dan B
     
  9. galanga

    galanga New Member

    alas

    Unfortunately, the date of Mark's post is from a year ago.
     
  10. snhs

    snhs New Member

    Re: Accreditor?

    The NCHM is a British accrediting body. Why would you expect it to be registered with the U.S. Dept. of Education through CHEA?

    The NCHM is a fully legal and respectable accrediting body in the UK.

    My I also point out that the NCHM accredits diploma level courses in holistic therapies, not degrees. This is why it is wholly inappropriate to mention it in this thread.

    If you need further information about the NCHM their URL is www.nchm.net

    Kind Regards

    Jack Cox BSc. Dip. H.E.
    Operations Director
    The School of Natural Health Sciences
    SNHS Ltd.
     
  11. galanga

    galanga New Member

    yeah, right

    Here is the DfES list of recgnised degree-granting organizations. NCHM is not present in the DfES lists. NCHM does offer courses. NCHM does not list entities it has accredited on its site.

    This is fishy, fishy, fishy.
     
  12. snhs

    snhs New Member

    Did you not bother to read my last post before replying?

    Don't be so ridiculous!

    Did you not bother to actually read my last post before replying to it?

    In my last post, the one you are supposed to be replying to, I said "May I also point out that the NCHM accredits diploma level courses in holistic therapies, not degrees". The DfES list has nothing to do with diploma level study, it only deals with degrees.

    Please check your facts in future before wasting everybody's time

    Regards

    Jack Cox BSc. Dip. H.E.
    Operations Director
    The School of Natural Health Sciences
    SNHS Ltd.
     
  13. snhs

    snhs New Member

    Did you not bother to read my last post before replying?

    Don't be so ridiculous!

    Did you not bother to actually read my last post before replying to it?

    In my last post, the one you are supposed to be replying to, I said "May I also point out that the NCHM accredits diploma level courses in holistic therapies, not degrees". The DfES list has nothing to do with diploma level study, it only deals with degrees.

    Please check your facts in future before wasting everybody's time

    Regards

    Jack Cox BSc. Dip. H.E.
    Operations Director
    The School of Natural Health Sciences
    SNHS Ltd.

    PS You don't even give your real name. Anyone can make false accusations about other people while hiding behind a pseudonym.
     
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  14. galanga

    galanga New Member

    2

    You posted twice twice I see see.
     
  15. DesElms

    DesElms New Member

    Let's put an end to this right now before it goes any further and/or gets out of hand, shall we? I hate it when someone comes here, pisses on our legs, and then tells us it's raining. And I hate it even more when members here pussyfoot and dance around when a direct, clear, unambiguous calling-it-what-it-is is in order!



    Dear Mr. Cox,

    I, for one, have carefully reviewed both your web site and that of your "accreditor," NCHM. While your company's ownership of the learnbymail.com domain may be new (and I'm not saying it is... I'm just taking your word for it for the moment); and that you have no association whatsoever with its previous owner(s) (and I'm not you do... I'm just taking your word for it for the moment); and while it may or may not be true that you do not offer degrees, as you so vehemently point out is the case; and while your organization may be well-intentioned and may actually offer legitimate training that has objective value and which may actually be worthy of the designation "diploma" (and I'm not saying it is... I'm just taking your word for it for the moment), it is, nevertheless, most certainly true that:
    1. Your web site is amateurish and dubious in both appearance and content; and,
    2. Your site contains the very sorts of language that experienced anti-diploma/degree mill activists recognize as commonly-used by all manner of charlatans and others of questionable character; and,
    3. Your site links-to, references and would appear to endorse other web sites which suffer from much the same sorts of infirmaties; and,
    4. You and your site use loosely (and, I would argue, recklessly) the word "accreditation;" and you refer the site visitor to the equally-amateurish NCHM web site, calling it your "accreditor," even though said "accreditor" is not authorized by any government agency, anywhere, to accredit anything; was started by a couple of guys with dubious credentials; has no governmental imprimatur whatsoever; and, moreover, is not acknowledged, talked about, recognized, recommended, hailed, admired, emulated or otherwise respected in any way by anyone who knows anything about or is known to understand true educational legitimacy -- be it accredited or unaccredited.
    Therefore, while it is clear that you are incensed (and perhaps rightly so) by the thread-starting post's reference to a domain name which you now own and which, therefore, may no longer be the somewhat-less-than-credible web site that it once was, the somewhat-less-than-credible web site that it now is is, neverthleless, little better... if at all. You and your little operation -- and its "accreditor" -- is precisely of the ilk exposed in places like http://www.quackwatch.org and others similar.

    I think you should have read more threads around here and figured what what this place is all about and who are its members. We can spot shams and shills ten miles out. They come here -- sometimes in droves -- and get all incredulous and indignant on us as they pound their chests demanding respect and credibility whether or not deserved. We, however, who do not suffer fools, summarily shoot them down when it's appropriate -- as it is in your case -- and expose them for what they are.

    You're more-than-welcome to operate your little health... uh... whatever the hell it is -- and even to claim that it's "accredited" -- but just don't do it here and expect anyone to let you do so with impunity. Exposing less-than-wonderful institutions and the knuckleheads who run them and/or "accredit" them is part of what we do here. And we do it well.

    If you're up for the fight, then, fine. Swing away. But if you think we're all just gonna' lie down while you espouse nonsense and act like you've been done some sort of harm, forget about it.

    You've dome to the wrong place to get credibility, there, Sparky. So you decide if you're up for this fight. This forum's members haven't even begun to unleash on you yet. Keep making posts like you've been making, and watch what happens.

    Really, Mr. Cox... take my word for it: You're fixin' to get trounced in here. Take a big ol' giant step back and just leave it alone, okay? Your blood pressure, I promise you, will thank you for it.
     
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  16. snhs

    snhs New Member

    Reply to Gregg L. DesElms

    Gregg,

    I take it that your post has the same lack of validity as your spelling. I did not "dome here" as you put it to attack anyone or to put anybody down so why are you attacking me?

    It is obvious by your post that you know nothing about the way UK holistic therapy diploma courses are accredited or you would know there is no one umbrella body to which we or our accrediting body are legally required to register.

    I came here to set the record straight about SNHS no longer being associated with the bogus Trinity College and University as an earlier post falsely claims. That's it. I have not come here for a argue with small minded people with negative attitudes.

    What you think is irrelevant. Your sarcasm is irrelevant (and very childish). My only advice to you is to get a life ! If you or anyone else here wishes to ask any questions (respectfully) I will be glad to answer them (respectfully) but I will not sink to your level of rudeness and abusiveness. We may disagree on many things but at least we can behave like adults and respect each other’s opinions.

    However when expressing your views you should take care to get your facts straight so as not to fall fowl of the laws of libel.

    Regards

    Jack
     
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  17. Jack Tracey

    Jack Tracey New Member

    Re: Reply to Gregg L. DesElms

    No real official from any real school would respond in this manner. You brand yourself with your own words.
    Jack
    (or as Bugs Bunny would say, "What a maroon!")
     
  18. plantagenet

    plantagenet New Member

    Re: Re: Reply to Gregg L. DesElms

    I am sure "Dr. Latin Juris" would be more than eager to jump up and state that "No real official from any real government department would respond the way Alan Contreras has."

    Not to mention referring to various entities as "Bottom Feeders" (eg Greenwich, Robert de Sorbon)
     
  19. Jack Tracey

    Jack Tracey New Member

    So don't hide behind others, what is your opinion?
    Jack
     
  20. plantagenet

    plantagenet New Member

    The language used (in both cases) is excessive and does not reflect well upon the organisation in question. In Dr Contreras' case the ODA is provably a legitimate government organisation (assuming he isn't a doppleganger), while I have some doubts as to the legitimacy of the "School of Natural Health Sciences " and "The National College of Holistic Medicine".

    From the Accreditation page:

    Is NCHM recognised by the UK government? For a "Prestigious Professional Body", they don't seem to have much in the way of recognition.

    Do they have privy council approval to grant such post-nominals?

    And of course, the ability to see a sample diploma is never a good sign.
     

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