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    Question Limited Res. Doctorates

    Being a recent grad from Regis University external MBA program I feel that now is the time to investigate a doctoral degree in business. I am shying away from from purely virtual institutions and opting for low residency brick and morter ones. I have come up with Case Western Reserve, EDM and UMUC's DM program. Anyone know about these programs or other possibilities? Why is it that these programs offer the "not so common" EDM and DM degree?

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    ** I certainly think you are looking at some good schools. I did a low residency DBA at Nova Southeastern in the 1992-1996 period, before UMUC and Case Western were in business. The NSU program was very good and helped me shift from industry to an academic position. If I were choosing today, I'd look carefully at the two you mention as well as NSU. I'd shy away from UoP and Argosy as they are for profit and lack the reputation.

    I do work with a lady who graduated from the EDM program at Case. She thought it was top notch - but that it is quite expensive and pretty selective.

    One good thing to say about NSU, UMUC and Case Western is that they all employ course work with a group of peer students. My sense of some other programs, such as Union, is that they offer individualized programs, but lack a critical mass of students with shared interests.

    Why the EDM and DM title? Both Case and UMUC are trying to distinguish their programs as being practitioner focused and not in competition with their traditional PhD offerings.

    Thanks - Andy

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    opting for low residency brick and morter ones. I have come up with Case Western Reserve, EDM and UMUC's DM program. Anyone know about these programs or other possibilities? Why is it that these programs offer the "not so common" EDM and DM degree?

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    Andy, Thanks for your input. Your right about Case being expensive. The selective part is good- if I can get in. I'm curious about how you made the transition into academia. Did you run into any obsticles regarding a distance ed stigma in academia and/or a DBA vs. a PhD? I'm contemplating these issues for the future- that is why the EDM,DM question.
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    I do work with a lady who graduated from the EDM program at Case. She thought it was top notch - but that it is quite expensive and pretty selective.


    Why the EDM and DM title? Both Case and UMUC are trying to distinguish their programs as being practitioner focused and not in competition with their traditional PhD offerings.

    Thanks - Andy

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    opting for low residency brick and morter ones. I have come up with Case Western Reserve, EDM and UMUC's DM program. Anyone know about these programs or other possibilities? Why is it that these programs offer the "not so common" EDM and DM degree?

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    Andy, Thanks for your input. Your right about Case being expensive. The selective part is good- if I can get in. I'm curious about how you made the transition into academia. Did you run into any obsticles regarding a distance ed stigma in academia and/or a DBA vs. a PhD? I'm contemplating these issues for the future- that is why the EDM,DM question.
    thanks,
    Tin




    I do work with a lady who graduated from the EDM program at Case. She thought it was top notch - but that it is quite expensive and pretty selective.


    Why the EDM and DM title? Both Case and UMUC are trying to distinguish their programs as being practitioner focused and not in competition with their traditional PhD offerings.

    Thanks - Andy

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    opting for low residency brick and morter ones. I have come up with Case Western Reserve, EDM and UMUC's DM program. Anyone know about these programs or other possibilities? Why is it that these programs offer the "not so common" EDM and DM degree?

    Tin[/B][/QUOTE]

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    There clearly is a DE stigma. Of the 1200 or so schools with business programs in the U.S., 350 or so are AACSB accredited . For the most part, with a DE doctorate you won't get a job in an AACSB school.

    In my case, I went to work in an ACBSP accredited school that I had been teaching at part-time for several years. Even there I have had occasional remarks made about my education . The only response I know is to deliver a strong performance in the classroom and in research. As the years go by, I suspect that some of the negative thinking about DE will go away.

    As for a DBA versus a PhD versus a DM - The label DBA and PhD are pretty much used interchangeably in the business school world. Some institutions award one or the other (such as Harvard). Other schools award both, some with different programs others with identical programs. It appears as though the DBA title is losing popularity to the PhD. DM is a new title and may face some resistence. However, a DM from Case Western or UMUC has the advantage of coming from a well regarded institution.

    Thanks - Andy

    Originally posted by tin:

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    I'm curious about how you made the transition into academia. Did you run into any obsticles regarding a distance ed stigma in academia and/or a DBA vs. a PhD? I'm contemplating these issues for the future- that is why the EDM,DM question.
    thanks,
    Tin




    I do work with a lady who graduated from the EDM program at Case. She thought it was top notch - but that it is quite expensive and pretty selective.


    Why the EDM and DM title? Both Case and UMUC are trying to distinguish their programs as being practitioner focused and not in competition with their traditional PhD offerings.

    Thanks - Andy

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    opting for low residency brick and morter ones. I have come up with Case Western Reserve, EDM and UMUC's DM program. Anyone know about these programs or other possibilities? Why is it that these programs offer the "not so common" EDM and DM degree?

    Tin
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    Your perspective was interesting. Have you heard anything about how the U of Phoenix DM was/is regarded. I realize they are relatively new. Considering the fact that they are expensive I am assuming that NSU's would be better received based on the fact that NSU does have a residential program and a tier rating (although NSU is not necessarily very happy with it). I do not know anything about business programs but U of Phoenix's curriculum certainly looked practitioner oriented. It reminded me of some of the Doctor of Ministry programs that I have seen with a more practioner/application approach. I have seen some DMin programs which more closely parellel the Ph.D. and I'm sure there are DBA programs which do? I have a friend considering the U of P DM program. Mainly because the person wants a doctorate.

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    Originally posted by Andy Borchers:
    There clearly is a DE stigma. Of the 1200 or so schools with business programs in the U.S., 350 or so are AACSB accredited . For the most part, with a DE doctorate you won't get a job in an AACSB school.

    In my case, I went to work in an ACBSP accredited school that I had been teaching at part-time for several years. Even there I have had occasional remarks made about my education . The only response I know is to deliver a strong performance in the classroom and in research. As the years go by, I suspect that some of the negative thinking about DE will go away.

    As for a DBA versus a PhD versus a DM - The label DBA and PhD are pretty much used interchangeably in the business school world. Some institutions award one or the other (such as Harvard). Other schools award both, some with different programs others with identical programs. It appears as though the DBA title is losing popularity to the PhD. DM is a new title and may face some resistence. However, a DM from Case Western or UMUC has the advantage of coming from a well regarded institution.

    Thanks - Andy




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    The best distance learning, business practitioner doctorate available is the DBA through the University of Glasgow. It can completed in the US with limited / no residency. The price is reasonable (not low, reasonable).

    I agree with the risk of having a DL doctorate, however with a top tier British University on your resume this risk will be largely mitigated.

    Originally posted by tin:
    Being a recent grad from Regis University external MBA program I feel that now is the time to investigate a doctoral degree in business. I am shying away from from purely virtual institutions and opting for low residency brick and morter ones. I have come up with Case Western Reserve, EDM and UMUC's DM program. Anyone know about these programs or other possibilities? Why is it that these programs offer the "not so common" EDM and DM degree?

    Tin

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    Originally posted by Lewchuk:
    The best distance learning, business practitioner doctorate available is the DBA through the University of Glasgow. It can completed in the US with limited / no residency. The price is reasonable (not low, reasonable).

    Do you by any chance have a link to Glasgow's DBA DL program? I can't find it on their site. Thanks.

    Scott

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    North - I would shy away from the UoP program for several reasons. For one, I've taught for UoP , and I find their "for profit motive" a serious problem. My observation is that UoP is money first and foremost, with academic quality a distant second. They market their program, to a large extent, on the basis of being an "easy" degree. Their extensive use of adjuncts is also an academic concern. Places like NSU (or Case Western) have a significant campus based, full time staff in addition to a core of adjuncts. Second, look at their curriculum - what I saw was at UoP is a group of courses with pretty flaky names. NSU conducts coursework in traditional business topics like finance, marketing , etc. Also, NSU has a large enough enrollment to allow specializations in areas such as finance, marketing , HR , IT, etc. UoP is limited to leadership.

    If you don't like NSU - fine. Go to Case or UMUC. UoP is pretty weak as I see it.

    Thanks - Andy

    Originally posted by North:
    Your perspective was interesting. Have you heard anything about how the U of Phoenix DM was/is regarded. I realize they are relatively new. Considering the fact that they are expensive I am assuming that NSU's would be better received based on the fact that NSU does have a residential program and a tier rating (although NSU is not necessarily very happy with it). I do not know anything about business programs but U of Phoenix's curriculum certainly looked practitioner oriented. It reminded me of some of the Doctor of Ministry programs that I have seen with a more practioner/application approach. I have seen some DMin programs which more closely parellel the Ph.D. and I'm sure there are DBA programs which do? I have a friend considering the U of P DM program. Mainly because the person wants a doctorate.

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    http://www.scottish-knowledge.com/home.cfm

    Scottish Knowledge is a join marketing initiative... they have some info, if you register they will give you more... I think they also link you to the UoGlasgow page.

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    Originally posted by Andy Borchers:
    North - I would shy away from the UoP program for several reasons. For one, I've taught for UoP , and I find their "for profit motive" a serious problem. My observation is that UoP is money first and foremost, with academic quality a distant second. They market their program, to a large extent, on the basis of being an "easy" degree. Their extensive use of adjuncts is also an academic concern. Places like NSU (or Case Western) have a significant campus based, full time staff in addition to a core of adjuncts. Second, look at their curriculum - what I saw was at UoP is a group of courses with pretty flaky names. NSU conducts coursework in traditional business topics like finance, marketing , etc. Also, NSU has a large enough enrollment to allow specializations in areas such as finance, marketing , HR , IT, etc. UoP is limited to leadership.

    If you don't like NSU - fine. Go to Case or UMUC. UoP is pretty weak as I see it.

    Thanks - Andy

    Thanks Andy. It is a friend who is interested. I was trying to be diplomatic when I said that the courses were practioner oriented. I like your analysis myself. When I saw the names of them I thought they were a little odd and would look odd on a transcript. Unless they have changed, I they could have done a better job of naming and content. As I said their DM certainly look more practioner oriented (professional doctorate) as opposed to academic. I also agree with your perspective on NSU, etc. No matter how they fair in the tier ratings, they do have a campus and campus programs as well as several colleges.

    Again, thanks Andy!

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    Originally posted by SPorter:
    Do you by any chance have a link to Glasgow's DBA DL program? I can't find it on their site. Thanks.

    Scott
    Good afternoon!

    Information about Glasgow's DBA programme can be found at http://www.gla.ac.uk/Acad/Business/dba/dba.htm on the web.

    Good luck!
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