St. Ignatius University

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  1. bing

    bing New Member

    I found a new school, at least I have never heard of it, in Indianapolis. It is called St. Ignatius University. They offer psychology, theology, and philosophy degrees. You can do undergrad through doctorate there.

    Has anyone had any dealings with this school? Their web site says that they offer degrees in conjunction with Regents College and will soon have some sort of joint program with a major accredited university.

    Bing
     
  2. How did you find it? I can't find anything through web searching.

    Bears' Guide says that a Saint Ignatius University was registered as a business in Hawaii in May 2000 but no evidence could be found of the school in that state or anywhere else.

    Regents College is now Excelsior College -- and I haven't heard of them offering degrees "in conjunction" with anyone.


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    Kristin Evenson Hirst
    DistanceLearn.About.com
     
  3. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member


    There is no "there" there.

    About the school's namesake: "Saint Ignatius of Antioch was the third bishop of Antioch. In the year 107, he was brought to Rome under Trajan and thrown to wild beasts."

    Not exactly a "time bomb," but I bet it hurt.

    Rich Douglas
     
  4. levicoff

    levicoff Guest

    This school is Ignatius University, not Saint Ignatius University (which is in Belgium). Their web site is at http://members.aol.com/IgnatiusU/ and the Regents statement appears on their accreditation page.

    All together now - degree mill. Indiana, incidentally, is one of the states that exempts religious degree-granting institutions from licensure, which is how the state has managed to host such luminary institutions as Trinity Bible College & Seminary and the Graduate Theological Foundation.

    Two general guidelines might help for future reference (perhaps I should incorporate these into the NIFI Criteria): First, no legitimate degree-granting institution will have its web page on AOL. Second, if Ignatius actually wrote that they "will soon have some sort of joint program with a major accredited university," that's a red flag in itself. Any legitimate institution will name the school with which it is negotiating a joint program, the accreditor with which it is applying for recognition, etc. Any school that abstractly references a joint arrangement or recognition without naming the specific affiliation is a sham.

    By the way, here's some practice on the NIFI Criteria for you. I see that Ignatius has a profile of its "rector." But do you see a faculty listing for anyone other than the rector?
     
  5. jon porter

    jon porter New Member

    Technically, the Belgian place Steve refers to is (rough translation) St Ignatius University Faculty Antwerp, usually called UFSIA. Jesuit. (My wife went there.)

    As to the place allegedly here in Indianapolis, they used to rent space from the Franciscans across town (Marian College, and they use Marian's address in the current phone book), but now seem to rent space from CTS, a Disciples of Christ seminary.

    I wrote what follows back in 1999; all addresses, phone numbers, and web sites WERE correct as of then; I have NOT checked them since.

    One Sunday back in September, 1999, a one column-inch advertisement appeared in the classified section of the Indianapolis Star:

    PROFESSORS
    Adjunct. All disci-
    plines. Ph.D. a must.
    Indianapolis.

    http://members.
    aol.com/ignatiusu.
    Call 718-698-0700
    Source: Indianapolis Star, Sunday 12 September 1999, p F-34

    Checking out their web page, they appear to offer tuition for Regent's AS/BS in psychology through the American Institute for Creative Living; the also offer their own degrees (BTh, BPh, and various masters and doctorates).
    Source: <http://members.aol.com/IgnatiusU/ . . . >

    The "Founder and Rector" of Ignatius University is the Very Rev. Anthony J. DeLuca, D.D., Ph.D., e-mail: [email protected], although the rather blurry photo alongside this information is captioned "H.E. Rt Rev. Anthony J. DeLuca, D.D., Ph.D., Psy.D. / Founder and Rector of the University of Antioch"
    <http://members.aol.com/IgnatiusU/rector.html>

    They list their official address as 612 High School Road, Indianapolis IN 46214 ... which yellowpages.net kindly tells me is Westlake Day School, (317) 487-5753; Church of Christ Westlake, (317) 244-3974; and Christ's Prison Fellowship, (317) 244-3974. There is no listing for Ignatius University in the Indianapolis phone book (web or paper).
    Source: <www.yellowpages.net>

    The telephone number in the Indianapolis Star ad, (718) 698-0700 has twenty listings at yellowpages.net, under the categories (1) Churches, Synagogues, & Mosques; (2) Churches-Catholic; (3) Clergy & Religious Organizations, (4) Hypnotists; (5) Marriage & Family Counselors; and (6) Psychotherapists. All give the same address: 2295 Victory Blvd, Staten Island NY 10314, which is listed as the "Information address" on the Ignatius University web site. There is no listing for Ignatius University in the web version of New York phone book; I have not checked a paper copy.
    Source: <www.yellowpages.net>

    The entities listed as having the phone number (718) 698-0700, and the headings under which they are listed (keyed to the list above), are:
    De Luca, Anthony J Phd [sic] (1), (2), (3), (4), (5), (6)
    Syrian Orthodox Church (1), (2), (3), (4), (5), (6)
    De Luca, Andrea H (5), (6)
    International School-Mntl Hlth (5), (6)
    Source: <www.yellowpages.net>

    The accreditation section of their web site can be seen at
    <http://members.aol.com/IgnatiusU/accreditation.html>

    Note that they claim to be affiliated with the Syrian Orthodox Church, American Institute for Creative Living and the International School of Mental Health Practitioners; they share an address and phone number with the latter.
    Source: <www.yellowpages.net>

    A search on the web found the only following (in addition to an art professor's resume, which mentioned that in 1988 she was part of an exhibition at American Institute for Creative Living, New York): on the American Institute for Creative Living:

    American Institute for Creative Living,Inc: This is a college
    program leading to an AS & BS degrees from University of the
    State of New York or other accredited colleges. American
    Institute does the training through internet and video tapes
    which havebeen cable cast over 20 year in program. We turn
    out an excellent counselor thru use of innovative "hands on"
    techniques "at a distance." Low tuition-non profit.

    Source: <http://ccd.usc.es/expinnova/psicolox.htm>
    giving a blind link for American Institute for Creative Living


    They state that the Indiana Secretary of State granted Ignatius University a charter on March 26, 1998, which, incidentially, allows them to operate under Indiana's exemption for religious colleges and universities; I do like the sentence: " . . ."

    There is no listing for Syrian Orthodox Church in the Indianapolis phone book (web or paper) or in the "Faith and Values" section (religion supplement) of the Indianapolis Star; indeed, their Indianapolis address is a Church of Christ and prison ministry.
    Source: <www.yellowpages.net>; Ameritech Yellow and White Pages, Indinapolis; Indianapolis Star



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    J. M. B. Porter, PhD
    Lecturer in World History
     
  6. jon porter

    jon porter New Member

    Ignatius once listed faculty, including an awful lot of IU-Bloomington grad students (one of whom had course materials on his IU webpage, but **NO** mention of his teaching at Ignatius on his CV. Go figure.) It struck me that they had maybe one or two active classes at a time.

    Their web page used to mention tuition fees and faculty pay (one-half tuition, not 2/3 as below); at the rate quoted, I figured class sizes would have to be in the neighbourhood of 25+ in order to earn the (trivial) sum that is the going rate for humanities adjuncts in central Indiana.

    Jon Porter
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    Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 07:20:47 -0500
    From: "Bock, Alexia P" <[email protected]>
    Reply-To: [email protected]
    To: "HGSA (E-mail)" <[email protected]>
    Subject: Teaching positions-Indianapolis

    Dear Doctoral Students,

    Ignatius University, School of Undergraduate Studies, is a new Christian
    Orthodox liberal arts college which places a unique emphasis on the
    humanistic tradition. In fact, the following courses are required of each
    student as they move through four experiences: Ancient, Medieval,
    Modern, Contemporary:

    HISTORY
    Ancient 3 credits
    Medieval 3cr
    Modern 3cr
    Contemporary 3cr

    PHILOSOPHY
    Ancient 3 credits
    Medieval 3
    Modern 3
    Contemporary 3

    LITERATURE
    Ancient 2 credits
    Medieval 2 cr
    Modern 1
    Contemporary 1

    ART HISTORY
    Ancient 2 credits
    Medieval 2 cr
    Modern 2
    Contemporary 2

    MUSIC HISTORY
    Ancient 1 credit
    Medieval 1cr
    Modern 1cr
    Contemporary 1

    Depending on enrollment, these courses will be offered on a tutorial or
    small group basis. The instructor is paid 2/3 of the tuition of each
    student. These courses will be offered on the campus of Marian
    College, Indianapolis. Each course meets once a week. If you are
    interested in part time teaching, then please send me an email:
    [email protected]

    For more information on Ignatius University see our web
    site at: http://members.aol.com/IgnatiusU

    Sincerely,
    Father Anthony DeLuca, Ph.D.(fordham)
    Rector
     
  7. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    This is unfortunate. Surely there is no desire to confuse "The University of Antioch" with "Antioch University." [​IMG]

    Somebody have Brother Maynard bring forward the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch and let's all count to three. (Not a time bomb, but.... [​IMG]
     
  8. John Bear

    John Bear Senior Member

    Thank you for that treasure trove of Ignatian information, Jon -- or is it Detective Porter?
     

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