Hi There, noticed members are enrolled in Grenoble Graduate study programs. Have a very good friend of mine, employed by Lockheed Martin, was interested in the PhD/DBA program offered by Grenoble but Lockheed would not "sign off" on that. I was more than a little surprised because, well, they'd paid for one bachelor and three master degree programs from the University of Phoenix for him! FYI: He works in shipping and maybe Lockheed determined that thisa is not a good investment, I don't know. His instructors at UOPare really enthusiastic about Grtenoble. I'd like your impressions. Thanks guys. Just something that makes me go...hmmmmm.
Did LMA give a reason. My employer (in aerospace) first said no, since it was not in the US, and they had never had such a request, but since I have made the request, have reconsidered. LMA is known to be one of the leaders, and the most liberal to their employees. If you gave some feedback on their concerns, it may help.
Also, remember that their are two paid marketeers that are also UoP instructors, but there is no relation between UoP and GGSB.
Re: Re: Hmmmm...Grenoble Kristie: My buddy addressed their concerns but was still unsuccessful. he has been with Lockheed for over thirty years and I trust that he understands how to navigate that particular terrain. As for the above quoted observation, I can't honestly say I was aware of paid marketers being UoP instructorsi. Honestly, I know Grenoble by name only. However, that has no bearing on my question: I was merely staing that though he has successfully completed graduate programs with UoP--their instructors feel comfortable with referring mature students to Grenoble--why would Lockheed take that position? As for more background, I'm not sure what type of information would be pertinent. I'm open to suggestions, and I will pass it along to him. I should mention that UoP has already signed off on paying for my friend's DBA efforts with UoP.
Here is what my employer said. They first said that a foriegn degree would have no value add at a US company. The asnwer to this is to easily expalin the international ties a company has today. Next was the issue of accreditation. GGSB recently was awarded AACSB, so they not only have EQUIS, but also AACSB. By your response, I guess you are looking for the reason why Lockheed would not approve Grenoble...... my question back is why don't you ask them. That way, if they are deciding under mis-information, you or your friend can clear it up. It would only be speciulation here.
Re: Re: Re: Hmmmm...Grenoble Is this quote above correct. I am reading that UoP is paying for him to go to Grenoble? I don't understand. If UoP is paying (not sure why, but if that is a correct assumption), why would Lockheed need to pay as well. Also, what is his afflilation with UoP, why is UoP paying? Maybe I am reading something wrong.
Late Night Gaffe Kristie, No! I was responding during my downtime--late at night. Instead of UoP paying for his DBA efforts the statement should be: Lockheed has signed off on his DBA efforts at UoP. Kristie, since I'm not a Lockheed employee I'm not sure how approporiate my asking them why they begged off is. However, I spoke with Robert earlier and the reason given was that Grenoble doesn't hold much weight in their eyes because they are not a US-based outfit--UoP is. Since Lockheed is part of this global economy I'm not sure if I can agree with their conclusions.
Re: Late Night Gaffe I understand now, that clears that up. I would ask for the official procedure for education reimbursement. Since they are an ISO company, they have to document their processes. If it does say that the "reputation" of the company in the opinion of a HR representative is their process, then he is out of luck, but I would say it does not. Most of the procedures will say what they exclude (like at my work, they exclude RA, like UoP), but exclude law and medical degrees. If it is not specifically excluded, he should escalate immediately. Has he escalated? It may be political! Many times, a low level HR person is making the call, in my case, I found out the secreatary, since she had not hear dof the school. When I escalated, the issue disappeared, and reimbursemenet was approved. My University of Tulsa was denied... until I escalated...... Can he show that any other LMA people are being reimbursed at international schools? I would hit them hard in the end with the accreditation issue. UoP is RA and Grenoble is AACSB, so if the school reputation is an issue, the accreditation standards should show that Grenoble would be a cut above. Most HR people don't understand accrediation issues, but it is a fine line to have to educate them and have them not be offended. Again, I would use their process against them, legally their is no room for interpretation, or they get in big legal issues. Also, see if his boss will fight for him. Many times, when a manager/director is behind it, things tend to happen. Lockheed is known to be really great about these issues, it is sad. Hope that helps. (P.S. - Grenobles tuition is well below the standard, so that may be a sales point as well).
Applicability? It was mentioned that your friend works in the shipping department. What is his position? I know this means beans to the processes in place at LM; however, where I work my manager has to sign off on whether or not the course work would be applicable to my current position!!! Of course since LM signed off on the DBA program at UoP this is obviously not the case for your friend; however, how common is it that policy like the one at my company is employed? It almost seems that my company doesn't want anyone to use additional education for a horizontal position change (even within the same company!) Luckily for me, my job description indicates that a BS, MS, PhD or equivalent!! is required. Since I don't have even a BS degree (yet), I don't think my manager can make the argument that a degree wouldn't be applicable (based on my job description.) I suppose I need to have printed on my business cards -- "Or Equivalent".
Maybe Lockheed thinks anyone who works in the shipping department has no need for doctoral training to be proficient at their job, hence no tuition assistance. All of the firms that I worked for would not assist anyone beyond the masters and at that level it was around 75% of tuition only.
Re: Re: Late Night Gaffe Kristie, What does "escalate" mean in your response? I must be missing another use for the word.
Escalated... a. taken the question to higher management. b. taken the issue to court. c. gone from words to force. d. gone from conventional to nuclear. Many meanings but you see the pattern
a. taken the question to higher management. Sorry, I thought this was pretty universal, but "a" is what I meant.
Nah... which would you do: "Appeal for help." or "Escalate the problem to higher authority." Escalate sounds much more manly (sorry Kristie).
When I hear appeal, I think of sex appeal.... so no... not in business. Chris - manly or confident and concrete in action!
Maybe the Supreme Court can hear "escalations" from the Lower -Escalate- Courts that are presided over by Escalate Judges. Oh well - who cares!!
I Agree Yes, I agree... but paying for ( at least 75% tuition assistance) a BS in Information Technology, a Masters degree in Organizational Management, an MBA in Technology Management, and a third MBA in Marketing doesn't exactly jive with a "cost benefit" analysis for a shipping team member, GENO. And they've already committed to tuition assistance towards his online ( http://online.phoenix.edu.) his DBA? My advice to my buddy? "Take the money and run!"
