Touro in trouble?

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  1. JayBrad

    JayBrad New Member

    My application for Touro PhD BA is sitting on my desk. I'm disturbed by the following public disclosure statement and statement of accreditation status for Touro College/TUI from Middle States Commission on Higher Education.

    Here's the parts that trouble me about TUI:
    Following an onsite visit, the institution was placed on probation in November 2003 and a monitoring report was requested by 3-01-04 prior to the conduct of an of a comprehensive evaluation visit to Touro College's main campus, documenting the steps taken and progress made to:

    1. improve the quality, consistency, and rigor of the TUI doctoral
    programs
    2. address the staffing needs and faculty capacity issues for TUI
    doctoral programs
    3. develop and conduct an external review of TUI's doctoral programs
    4. ensure the requirements for TUI doctoral programs are consistent
    with an advanced level of study...

    "The commission also cautioned the institution with respect to the further
    growth of all TUI programs, and doctoral student enrollments, pending the
    spring 2004 evaluation visit to Touro College and action by the full
    commission at its June 2004 meeting. Further the commission postponed action
    on the continued inclusion of TUI and TUC within the scope of Touro
    College's accreditation, pending the scheduled spring 2004 visit to Touro
    College."

    What is the bottom line here? It's obvious the accreditors are really examining TUI's PhD programs and are having questions about continuing accreditation for the PhDs. Is there a likelihood TUI will have to drop the PhDs? Any informed information is appreciated before I commit time and money.
     
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  2. Oherra

    Oherra New Member

    where can one view this info. at on the middle states website? I haven't found it.
     
  3. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    The Union Institute and University is having similar problems.

    All distance ed programs should realize that the product they are producing had better be similar to brick and mortar schools or there is a price to pay.

    Accreditation comes slowly but it can go away quickly. I am not saying that either school is in danger of losing accreditation because they will change long before it comes to that.

    There have been other distance universities criticized here for lack of rigor and the ownership had better take heed, because the seemingly irrelevant comments made here seem to find their way to decision makers.
     
  4. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Very true!!! :)
     
  5. Han

    Han New Member

    Do a quick searach on TUI - there is about 3 threads currently having this discussion. I hate to continue a fourth - it is a hot topic due to recent events.
     
  6. codekiller

    codekiller New Member

    Hello,


    I really like touro's online program and was planning to do some serious checking into there computer science program ( not that I dont like the program I am in currently but I was looking for a computer science program when I started but every school I seen was only offering Infomation technology so thats what I took). Maybe the only reason they are reviewing the phd program is because it is a revolutionary way of learninig being that there books come on cd and being that it will be subject to review continuously utill this method of learning becomes an more excepted form of study! I looked at the cirriculum and the programs look similiar to other phd programs I have seen! I have not done a thorough check on the school yet but I believe that this is going to be rectified but dont be surprised if all the classes recieve a major overhaul and become harder than they were previously,thats my opinon!
     
  7. etech

    etech New Member

    I am not comfortable with TUI anymore, so its out of my list for a CS program.
     
  8. -kevin-

    -kevin- Resident Redneck

    me too, back to the state schools....
     
  9. codekiller

    codekiller New Member

    I think Ill give it a A year or so to see whats going to happen!
     
  10. codekiller

    codekiller New Member

    check this out

    http://64.4.14.250/cgi-bin/linkrd?_lang=EN&lah=5971e317bfc5d7ef16dec9e66b908d6e&lat=1074181677&hm___action=https%3a%2f%2fcnsss%2etourou%2eedu%2fpublic%2fapplication%2ephp

    I was looking at there web site and I was wondering if they were going to formally address the accreditation isssue it seems there going to try hide it ! look on the bottom of this touro application it claims that the phd program have reached capacity and cannot enroll anymore students i wish they would just come and talk about it it would let us know that they are at least have a plan to
    remedy the situation
     
  11. etech

    etech New Member

    the link does not work
     
  12. rryan

    rryan New Member

    Touro communication

    Touro has not done the best job in terms of communication. I've received the report, and it is true that two of the most troubling issues are the quality of the PhD program and the continued accreditation derived from Touro in NY. Both of these questions have not been addressed by TUI faculty.

    Reggie
     
  13. codekiller

    codekiller New Member

  14. BoogieRambler

    BoogieRambler Member

    Wow, what a difference a year makes!
     
  15. Guest

    Guest Guest

    What is so interesting about all this is that ACCS, Touro, Union, and others, are schools touted and recommended by many on this forum.

    I think the bottom line is that one needs to do some serious, thorough, and independent investigation regarding the selection of any school and not rely just on others' opinions.

    CCU has been blatantly condemned by those who recommended the above three and yet, CCU may actually become nationally accredited while these recommended schools may lose their accreditation.

    Ah, the strange world of education, accreditation, expert opinion, and an ever-changing dynamic in DL.
     
  16. Rob Coates

    Rob Coates New Member

    Jimmy;

    Very good! Excellant point.
     
  17. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

    I seriously doubt TUI or The Union is even close to being in danger of losing their accreditation. To compare these schools to CCU or other schools that offer graduate degrees via unproctored multiple choice exams is silly. CCU has finally begun to clean up their act after 30 years of operation. While I applaud their their belated efforts at improvement, they have quite a journey to merit this kind of praise.
     
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  18. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

    Re: Re: Touro in trouble?

    TUI is interesting in that, like NCU, people seem to love it or hate it. I think the reality is between the two extreme. It offers solid programs while doing an excellent job in providing service to its students. Is it the equal of most RA BM universities? Probably not, but as one of the few totally DL US RA Ph.D. schools it certainly is blazing new territory.
     
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  19. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Methinks The Tempest of Life has been in the tea pot too long, ha! You completely misunderstood my post and the intention and direction of my statements.
     
  20. Rob Coates

    Rob Coates New Member

    Only part of the course work in the early phases of the program for the Psy.D. at CCU involves multiple choice exams. I'm about half way through the program and have written over 100 pages worth of essays. The essays must be writen according to detailed, specific criteria which includes the use of references to support any assertions or content not included in the textbook. The course work is more rigorous than I expected.
     

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