This really fries me...

That Touro has allowed this to happen. I almost went with this &#$*( university, until I started talking to my PhD friends in academia. Their univeral reaction was "??? Where's that?"

Incidentally, they all knew about Capella, Phoenix, even Excelsior. But Touro drew a huge blank stare.

That did it for me right then - I abandoned any plans to ever go there, and I'm glad I made the right choice.

On a kinder, gentler note - for the sake of the students who placed their trust in this board's steady recommendation of Touro as a "great place, no books to buy" kind of distance learning institution - let's all hope they do something quickly to resolve their conundrum around accreditation.

And, yes, the regional accreditors do sometimes pull accreditation altogether, but that's usually the kiss of death for a small, private institution - like Touro.

Good luck to all those who trusted in Touro, and degreeinfo "experts" who steered them there.

 

This forum consists of people much like yourself, who express their opinions. While guests may view the various posters as experts, they are, in fact, simply posters on a public forum.

While I cannot speak for or against Touro, as I have not been there, I have warned readers about Northcentral University (NCU). However, whether I am viewed as an expert or a disgruntled ex-NCU student -- it is up to the reader to draw his own concludions.

In all purchases, Caveat Emptor

 

Be careful Carl...you might unleash the wrath of these '"experts"

 

I don't recall anyone here proclaiming themself an "expert" on anything. It would be sheer foolishness to make as huge a decision as to where to attend school based on the opinions of anonymous people on a message board.

 

Re: Re: This really fries me...

I claim to be rated a chess expert. (But I haven't played in so long that I would guess I could only perform at low A player strength, at best, if I played in a tournament tomorrow.)

 

This original post was in another thread, and I posted the same type answer there... experts??? (I won't repeat, since I think several have made my point)

 

I would point out though that how does one find true information about higher distance education in general? Since I work for a university, distance degrees, masters and PhD's just draw a puzzled look, as if these things don't even exist.

I know the posters here are just private citizens, but I do consider carefully most of the responses I read. I'm not sure where else to look. While my goals and how to achieve them will be decided by me, I find direction on where to look here. One can't help but form some ideas by reading here once you become familiar with the various posters and their apparent levels of knowledge in general about distance learning. Just reading from a school's website doesn't help tremendously because they all consider themselves great. I don't know how you truly compare and be sure. I think it's most an educated gamble, just like all things.

 

Carl, what fuels this anger?

In a previous thread you had this to say, what changed your mind? Was it the reaction you received when you asked about using a foreign life experience degree?

The ones you mention advertise regularly. I knew of them myself before I started my MBA search. There are a lot of State schools which would draw a blank stare from some people. I got the same reaction when I enquired about Bemidji State. Rich Douglas did some research into how the name affects peoples opinions. And in Phoenix's case knowledge does not always mean reaspect. Marketing 101, as an MBA student you should already know that.

And you base this on what information or experience? I did a google search and looked through CHEA for references to schools which had lost their RA accreditation. The ones who had all did for financial reasons. Maybe some have lost it for quality but I didn't find any. Touro's fix here is very simple, hire a few more instructors in the MPH program or limit students and ditch the PHD program. The second is undoubtedly NOT their first choice but one they would definately use prior to losing accreditation. This is a wakeup call, not a kiss of death.

For information sake I obtained an MBA from Touro simply because it was accredited and cheap. However, it does not engender any deep alma mater loyalty in me as they were just a school on the Internet so I think I can look at them objectively. I am a little concerned with this whole thing but it really doesn't create any big worries as they will without a doubt come through this, albeit with some changes, which will be for the better. In the big wide world most people don't even know or care about Touro's situation and if in March they are removed from the list it will just be a blip on the radar which will leave Touro much wiser and a better school.

 

While I would not enroll in Touro because it is not in the United States, my impression of the school is favorable, albeit my impression is based on the large number of posters who have said favorable things. When large numbers of people all say the same thing, I generally tend to lend credibility to their consensus of opinion. I've read no bad comments about Touro, until the accreditation issue was recently raised.

 

Did California secede from the United States?

 

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I hadn't heard the news of New York's and California's secession.

 

Touro is in the USA

Touro College is in NY, NY.

TUI is in Cypress, California.

Touro University California, an osteopathic medical school, is in Vallejo , California and was once ranked #1 in osteopathic medical schools by US News & World Report. Don't know where they stand now.

This is by no means a "small" private school. I teach at one of those and we have 650 students, far less than Touro.

 

I could have sworn that I saw a thread that discussed that Touro was a Canadian school. However, I stand corrected. New York and California, eh? Amazing...

 

Touro College

Touro University International

 

Ha Ha

Be careful Bill, there are a whole lot of people who would like to see California secede, ha ha. Last I remember there was a bunch in Northern California who wanted to secede from the rest of the state.

 

Chris: Last I remember there was a bunch in Northern California who wanted to secede from the rest of the state.

John: The momement is definitely alive: the State of Jefferson. Motto: "If at first you don't secede, try, try again." http://www2.jeffnet.org/Page.asp?ID=2

 

You are wrong to suggest that degreeinfo.com experts recommend Touro University International for applicants. To my knowledge, it was degreeinfo.com unscientific polls cum several posts about TUI experience by TUI students that steered many applicants' interests towards TUI. To my recollection, no member of the gang (of six) has ever recommended Touro implicitly or explicitly (I have to admit that I may be wrong). That DL experts (John, Rich, Steve, ..) never bashed TUI cannot be interpreted as recommendation. At best they were skeptical initially. The experts were even astonished to learn that TUI has been incorporated in the TC existing regional accreditation. One expert even went as far contacting MSA perhaps to verify the authenticity of accreditation story. I have to add that TUI is experiencing the regional accreditation process for the first time. TC and TUI will survive eventually but that may require tough and fastidious tasks. I am not an expert on either DL or accreditation process but my guts are telling me that TC may be unable to meet the March 31st deadline because of the following reasons: (1) TUI has grown so big that I suspect that it has more students and programs than TC. As we know, TUI is only a branch campus of TC. (2) TUI is about to begin a process that could last more than five years for many schools. The process usually involves the following steps:

• Notification of intent
• Self-study
• Submission of application
• Initial visit
• Candidacy
• A second visit
• Accreditation

Some of the steps outlined above may not be applicable in the current case because TC, having been accredited for decades, will unlikely make a fresh start.

Ike Okonkwo, PhD

 

There goes the country

They say that California is a microcasm of the rest of the country. We had the war between the states. They can have one within the state I guess.

 

One could go to a school counselor - but it is just their opinion as well. Secondly, it is a judgement call, the nice part about degreeinfo is that there are many opinions here, but overall it is the persons responsbility to make the decision.

 

me again:

The opinions that I have uttered here do not in any way constitute an indictment of TUI programs. TUI could actually be running be excellent degree programs. I am only suggesting that people should thread carefully. A lot of things were over-bloated. A case in point was TUI's intent to pursue AACSB accreditation. We were inundated with news of how AACSB accreditation is almost a fait accompli and how they intend to achieve their goal with a short period of time. It was even affirmed that TUI would secure the business accreditation in as little as three calendar years as if to suggest that AACSB accreditation pivots on fortuity.

Ike Okonkwo, PhD