DETC / CCU

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  1. DWCox

    DWCox member

    It seems to me that solid California approved schools might be good candidates for DETC accreditation. With DETC looking to expand and include doctoral degrees it seems only logical CCU should consider DETC.

    Thoughts and opinions please.

    Wes
     
  2. Guest

    Guest Guest

    I agree Wes! DETC accreditation (if in fact they do incorporate doctoral programs into their accreditation venue) would add credibility to schools such as CCU. Since CCU seems to be one of the better CA state approved schools, IMO, they should go for DETC accreditation. This would enhance their credibility, and also the marketability of their degrees.

    Russell
     
  3. Bob Harris

    Bob Harris New Member

    I agree and think this would be a very good step forward for schools like CCU. But, I suspect that some of the exsisting DETC schools may object to the inclusion of CCU and others like them (although I don't think they could do anything to stop it). I think the reason for their objection would be the sizeable cost difference between some DETC programs and some state-approved programs. For example, there's about an $11,000 difference in cost between an ISIM University MBA and a CCU MBA. I actually like the looks of ISIM's MBA program with its focus on IT. But, is the quality that much better to justify paying the extra cost?
     
  4. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Some DETC schools are able to keep the cost down (ex. Andrew Jackson University). AJU's MBA is 4900.00. The last I heard this was not much different from CCU's price. I don't know anything about ISIM's MBA but before I would pay 11,000 to ISIM, I would look at other DE programs such as Jones International University (also 11,000 but Regionally accredited). Or for a few more dollars, Regis University (top tier regional university). I guess ISIM must be doing okay or it would not be still operating which it apparently has done with some success.

    North

    North
     
  5. Jonathan Liu

    Jonathan Liu Member

    In that case, CCU has to remove all its PhD programs. DETC can only accredited professional doctorates, like JD, DBA, EdD, etc.


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  6. bing

    bing New Member

    I did not know that DETC accredited any schools that offered doctrates of any kind, as a general rule.
     
  7. PaulC

    PaulC Member

    Where did you get your information on this?
     
  8. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    As a proprietary school, it may not be in their best business interests to have accreditation. CCU has been operating since the mid-1970s without it.

    The inclusion of doctoral programs is not a done deal at DETC. The only guidelines they've published have been in regards to first professional degrees, which are a long way away from the Ed.D., Ph.D., DBA, etc. I would expect a great deal of resistence from the regionals in this regard. Also, DETC would have to come up with effective guidelines for accrediting schools with research-based doctorates. Finally, there is the problem of residency, which is anathema to an organization who's central theme is "distance" education.

    Rich Douglas, who hopes DETC does it anyway. [​IMG]
     
  9. Mark A. Sykes

    Mark A. Sykes Member

    Perhaps it's the case that CCU's Doctorates would remain unaccredited. Since Unisa is applying for DETC accreditation, I wouldn't expect them to fold their Ph.D. programs as a condition of receiving that accreditation.

    Mark A. Sykes
     
  10. DWCox

    DWCox member

    DETC accredited schools can award doctorate degrees but these degrees will not be considered accredited until the US Dept of Education permits inclusion within the DETC accreditation. It is only a matter of time before DETC goes full-bore into doctorate programs esp. with Unisa entering the market.
     
  11. Jonathan Liu

    Jonathan Liu Member

    Well. Maybe my previous post was not accurate. The words from DETC (copied from Concord University School of Law's section at DETC's web site) are :
    "This school was approved under a "pilot program" that was designed for accrediting institutions offering first professional degrees. Presently, the Commission's scope of recognition granted by the U.S. Department of Education and the Council for Higher Education Accreditation extends only through the Master's degree level. Therefore, the JD degree programs are not covered under the recognition of the DETC by the above agencies."

    If DBA and EdD are not considered as first professional degrees, I have to remove them.
    So just JD, or doctor of health science. Still no PhD option.

    Some foreign universities apply for DETC accreditation are just for some of their DL programs, not the whole universities with a lot of residential programs.

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