Medical University of the Americas

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  1. laferney

    laferney Active Member

    Medical University of the Americas http://mua.edu/odprg.php

    There is a medical school that offers a master's degree in Nursing or Ph.d in Health Services online.
    Master of Science in Nursing among other degrees.
    "Each student is unique in both academics and professional experiences, so each of our applicants is treated on an individual basis. Upon receipt of the completed application packet and $50 application fee, the Dean of Continuing Education will consider and evaluate your transcripts and personal statement.
    Curriculum: The MSN program requirements include a Master’s Thesis of publishable quality, the compilation of a Nursing Portfolio, which includes a Nursing Experience Summary, and finally a brief Continuing Education course furnished by MUA.
    Admission Criteria: The Master of Science in Nursing degree program is open to all Registered Nurses with at least 5 years experience, and who possess a BSN degree from an accredited college or university.

    Documents Required for Admission:
    •A completed application form
    •Application fee of $50.00
    •Official transcript from each college, university or professional school attended
    •Two letters of recommendation from individuals acquainted with the applicant’s character and academic abilities
    Tuition and Fees: Tuition for the M.S.N. program is $3,900. Other fees include a graduation fee of $250.00.

    For more information on this program, please contact our Division of Continuing Education at (978) 632-1599, ext. 114. "
    Does any one know anything about this school and it's legitamacy, acceptability? Would it be considered GAAP equal?It states "Recognition and Approval "
    Medical University of the Americas is listed by the World Health Organization, (Seventh Edition).
    Medical University of the Americas was approved and chartered by the Government of St. Christopher-Nevis in 1988.
    Medical University of the Americas is approved by the E.C.F.M.G. board in the United States for students to sit for the U.S.M.L.E. board examinations.
    Thanks for any info anyone can provide.
     
  2. seekinghelp

    seekinghelp New Member

    Can't wait to see what is dug up here. The accrediting agency the site refers you to doesn't show this school, at least not that I could see. But then, it is late and I am tired.
     
  3. bozzy

    bozzy New Member

    This is a legit school but fairly new school. Many Doctor grads practicing around the world and US come from their sister school SABA University. Don't know anything about their nursing program, but the med school is legit. I have a good friend that is a SABA grad. Check to see if the degree will meet your needs. Frankly, there are a ton of grad nursing degrees available online from RA and GAAP schools worldwide.
     
  4. Delta

    Delta Active Member

    MUA

    This is a link to the International Medical Education Directory showing Medical University of the Americas listing. This directory lists World Health Organization recognized schools, an essential ingredient in becoming a U.S. licensed Medical Doctor (MD).
    http://imed.ecfmg.org/details.asp?country=661&school=&currpage=1&cname=SAINT+KITTS+AND+NEVIS&city=&region=&rname=&mcode=661030&psize=25

    Here is another link showing the U.S. residencies graduates of MUA are being awarded.

    http://www.mua.edu/alumn.php

    It is my understanding that Nevis and St. Kitts are considered British Commonwealth governments and their respective governments operate independently. See this link:

    http://www.nevis1.com/government.html

    Based on the fact that so many of their graduates have been licensed to practice medicine in the USA, I would have to agree with Bozzy that Medical University of the Americas (MUA) is a legitimate institution of higher learning.
     
  5. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

  6. Delta

    Delta Active Member

    MUA

    Thanks for the link BillDayson.
    ?
    "What do you call an MD from MUA versus an MD from Harvard?
    answer: Doctor."
     
  7. Delta

    Delta Active Member

    Trust

    Bill Dayson, you stated on the other thread that,
    "Frankly, I would not be comfortable with a physician trained at MUA."

    I couldn't agree more but I would like to add that I wouldn't trust or feel comfortable with a new graduate MD from any school, US included! Thats why they have a 1 to 4 year internship and residency as well as board certifications.
     
  8. bgossett

    bgossett New Member

    Delta,

    What, if any, is your relationship to MUA?
     
  9. Delta

    Delta Active Member

    No relationship at all!

    I have no relationship at all with MUA. Just researching foreign medical schools. I hope I don't sound like an advocate of MUA with my previous posts. I just find this forum interesting and a source of valuable information when researching the merits of institutions of higher learning.

    What relationship do you have?
     
  10. bgossett

    bgossett New Member

    Wouldn't touch it double-gloved.
     
  11. chris

    chris New Member

    But it may touch you gloved

    Many doctors of schools like this are now working in the USA as general practitioners. Graduates of more substantial medical schools gravitate to higher paying specialities leaving the GP practices to those dedicated to the job or those willing to fill a void. Rural areas are particularly distressed and someone with a degree from this school and a USA license would be met with open arms in many rural communities. In my small town near a major metropolitan city (St. Louis, 70 miles) and a small city (Springfield, IL 40 miles) we have far more foreign trained doctors than US trained. More remote communities may not even have a doctor within an hours drive. I don't know if this is the school but I found one once that offered an MD with 80 weeks of online study and 80 weeks of on site clinicals. You were then eligible for testing for licensure in the USA. Is that a bad thing? Who knows? In the Army, medics with 16 weeks of training save a whole lot of lives in combat. I have seen some really bad doctors from good schools exposed on TV and vice-versa.
     
  12. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Is anyone else just a bit troubled that a MUA Professor of Anatomy is a Dentist, and another of their Professors (no field stated) is a Veterinarian? :confused:
     
  13. roysavia

    roysavia New Member

    No. If your dog suffers from halitosis and rotten teeth, these doctors would be exceptional.
     
  14. bozzy

    bozzy New Member

    People ...people let's not get carried away with narrow minded opinions that exposes an ignorance on our part of medical licencing in the US and abroad.

    These schools operate within their own jurisdictions and meet all requirements for licencing in their respective countries and many other countries (UK and Europe) including most states in the USA.

    Apart from the WHO listing and accreditation of the host govt, these students have to pass EXACTLY the same USMLE stages 1, 2 and 3. The USMLE is an exceptionaly difficult exam and I doubt very much that you can CLEP your way out of it like some of these BA in 4 weeks degrees.

    PS. Anatomy is a vital component studied by all Dentists and Vets (Vets actually do a subject called Comparitive Anatomy and probably know a lot more about general anatomy than some Docs)

    THEN there is the residency match and passing of Supervised Clinical CSA exam (this exam is to be phased out this year and included in the USMLE 2 Exam, I believe)

    THEN each state or foreign Med Board has to approve the candidates' application for unrestricted Med Licence to practice medicine.

    Hardly an easy path...so relax, if the guy you call Doctor has completed all of the above then he is quite probably more qualified than you think. But then again maybe some folks on this forum are slighted towards any foreign trained Doc anyway.

    Lets not sink to the lowest common denominator and bash a school if we are misinformed.

    Bozzy
     
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  15. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Not really, these are perfectly fine professions to be instructors at medical schools. It would seem that one would want the most qualified person to teach each subject. I know of few if any Anatomists these days, they more or less went out of fashion once they stopped selling tickets to post mortem examinations.

    Recall if you will that the dental school curriculum is quite close to that in medical school. Dentists are able to prescribe medications, perform surgery, order laboratory tests, order and interpret radiographs. The fact that their specialization limits their practice to the mouth, teeth, gums, and accessory structure does not make them a poor choice as an anatomy professor. In fact I think that a dentist would make an excellent choice for an anatomy professor just because of the complex anatomy of the head and neck. If one can be intimately familiar with the intricate anatomy of the head he surely knows the rest of the anatomy. They don't stop at the neck; you have to know it all.

    As for a veterinarian, they are as valuable, if not more valuable than any physician. The physiology of animals and man is similar. Veterinarians must make their diagnoses and plan treatment without the benefit of asking the patient about his symptoms. To teach diagnostic skills a veterinarian would be a remarkably good choice. A veterinarian would also be an excellent instructor of Physiology as all species have similar physiological responses, all animals -man included- are in a constant struggle to reach homeostasis. Microbiology, immunology, pharmacology, there are all fields in which a veterinarian would be a useful teacher.

    I would be much more concerned if they had Chiropractors and Homeopaths on staff.
     
  16. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    That sounds all well & good, but I really wouldn't want to go to a physician who was trained by a tooth-puller or doggie doctor. :D

    Incidentally, I did a quick review of the faculty at a US medical school (UMass-Worcester), and couldn't find a single dentist or veterinarian.

    Thanks in large part to Bears' Guide, I know where my physician (U of Vermont), my wife's physician (UMass), and my kid's pediatrician (U of Pittsburgh) got their medical degrees. I certainly wouldn't let a MUA graduate anywhere near my family.
     
  17. roysavia

    roysavia New Member

    I have to agree with Bruce. There's no way that I would allow any member of my family to be examined by a second rate physician. If these MUA physicians want to practise medicine in America, then have them write their medical exams in the U.S. and let the AMA and the regional medical examination boards decide their future.
     
  18. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Your logic seems to show that anyone who does not go to medical school in the United States of America is a second rate physician.

    I hope none of your family ever needs a blood transfusion as Dr Charles Drew a pioneer in transfusion medicine and the first director of the Red Cross blood banks was not US trained. Dr. Drew was not able to get into medical school in the United States, he had to go to Canada. I guess he is a second rate physician according to your criterion.

    Of course Dr Christian Barnard did not go to a US medical school so heart transplants must be second rate medicine.

    Those second rate German medical schools churned out Albert Schweitzer. Heck even Hippocrates went to a foreign medical school.

    But first rate physicians like Jack Kervorkian who went to the University of Michigan, a fine US medical school must be fine for your family.

    Now I am not a physician and I have no desire to go to medical school, but I am an RN and I know a good physician when I work with one and I know plenty of fine physicians who did not go to school in the US but were able to jump throught the regulatory hoops to practice in the US. I also know fine physicians who went to medical school in the States. However I don't know a bad physician who went to school in a foreign country that practices in the US. I am sure that there are some, but in critical care where I generally work the dopes are weeded out pretty quickly.
     
  19. Delta

    Delta Active Member

    "I have to agree with Bruce. There's no way that I would allow any member of my family to be examined by a second rate physician. If these MUA physicians want to practise medicine in America, then have them write their medical exams in the U.S. and let the AMA and the regional medical examination boards decide their future." !
    I thought Bozzy described the US medical licensing procedures very well! In other words, by the time the foreign medical graduates (FMG's) jump through all the U.S. hoops, they are fully U.S. licensed physicians.

    For some reason I get this comical picture in my mind of you guys asking the doctors where they graduated from as they push your injured body into an Emergency Room. You would be surprised to find out how many FMG's there are in this country!
     
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  20. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    The issue isn't whether or not Americans should embrace foreign medical gradutes, so please don't try to introduce red herrings.

    I think that everyone on Degreeinfo can happily stipulate that there are a tremendous number of excellent medical schools outside the United States.

    The question is whether or not MUA is one of them.

    In fact, one could reasonably question whether it's really a foreign medical school at all. Perhaps it could more accurately be called an American off-shore medical school located in a flag-of-convenience jurisdiction in order to dodge the domestic regulatory and accreditation hurdles.

    That's why I referred to the idea of loophole-exploitation, which isn't exactly the most reassuring concept when applied to the training of physicians. The 30-week Warnborough University "fast track" pre-med program troubles me for the same reason.
     

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