Genoble Graduate School of Business

Does Grenoble have a DBA degree that is conferred by Grenoble and not jointly with the University of Newcastle upon Tyne?

All I can gather from the Grenoble website is that a joint program is offered.

 

You asked a very important question. I will like to know the answer.

Ike

 

Yes, I am in it. This program is not published on their website, though Denver Mullican (a member here) has a website and helps facilitates the application process. I would provide the link, but the site is down right now, and the name may change, so I am waiting to hear from Denver what the link is.

It is in English, all sutdents are form the states, and requires a yearly visit to Grenoble.

The program is still in the pilot stage. I am a part of the third class, and the first person is graduating this year.

The degree is awarded from Grenoble, and Newcastle is in no part a part of this program - and yes, it is AACSB!

If you have more questions about the program, I can answer what I know, or PM me - if you want application info - Denver is the right person to contact.

 

I also have electronically the brochure for the program, as well as FAQ's page - let me know if you want them - it is pretty long, so I didn't think I should post it here.

 

I know that they have EQUIS accreditation, but as far as I know they do not have AACSB - they are just member! (or is my information too old?).

Greets,
Trigger

P.S.: Besides, although the ESC´s are very well respected in France, you need to always keep in mind that they are NOT universities! (away from France, nearly no-one will even know what an ESC is!)

 

Yes, your info is old. They were accredited on the 25th of December.

I don't undetstand what you mean that they are not univiersities?

 

Actually, Trigger is correct. Grenoble Graduate School of Business is not a university.

A University generally awards a broad selection of undergraduate and graduate degrees (including doctoral level) across a wide faculty range.

Genoble is a "speciality business school" that awards a limited number of specialized degrees under the authority of the French Ministry of Education.

It was founded in 1984 and "governed by a board of internationally-recognised executive representatives, under the auspices of the Grenoble Chamber of Commerce and Industry."

To call Grenoble a "university" is wrong. It is not a university and will likely never be a university. Just like Henley Management College is not a university, neither is Grenoble.

If Grenoble existed in the United States it would likely be ranked under the US News College Rankings as an "Unranked Specialty School" and in Canada by Macleans as a "Specilalized School".

I don't think Grenoble ever claimed to be a university and is definately proud of being one of the best graduate business schools in Europe.

 

Yes, that is true, and thanks for the facts, I didn't know some of this. I guess I understand the statement now.

Another country has a different naming culture.... oh my goodness.... but will the American be able to figure it out??

Having the word university is not in the title, doesn't make it any less than some universities in the US. I have found the most Americans (me too from time to time - less now that I have been introduced to this board) say that if it is not the american way, it is not as equal, when sometimes it is much better. We have a very ethnocentric society.

I am not too concerned that americans might not have heard of GGSB, that is what accreditation is for and the research committees. (My advisor is a visiting professor at Stanford, so at least GGSB is getting introduced to one school in the US).

Also, I find it an asset that I am going to a school outside the US.

 

Yep,
that was exactly what I wanted to say.

But, to be frankly, in many European universities, and also in Busienss life, you would find it quite hard to get an adequate job coming from a school that does not have the word "university" in its name. If that is different in the US, go for it!

Of course, as I said, the ESC´s are quite known in France, but not all of them stand for "pure excellence", nor can you say that all of them belong to the best business schools in Europe.

In fact, only HEC, INSEAD (and MAYBE also E.M. Lyon) are europeanwide considered "top schools"... - but, to admit that also, a school that has both EQUIS and AACSB accreditation (congrats to that) must surely be one of the better ones.

Besides, are you sure you can (officially and legally) use the English "Graduate School of Business" name of the school, and not its original name (Ecole Superieur de Commerce)? (I would find that out if I were you)...

Greets,
Trigger

 

I generally use the "British" benchmark when it comes to comparing schools throughout the world. The Americans have quite a system of extemes going that is hard to understand to some foreigners (and I include myself in that group, being a Canadian).

I used to think that RA was a decent "gold" standard, and then someone goes and accredits Northcentral "University". So much for RA.

AACSB seems to be a decent "business" standard, but what happens if Northcentral eventually gets AACSB accreditation?

The problem with accreditation is that the standards are set WAY to low. Harvard Business School is on the AACSB list, but so is....

 

Doctor of Doctorate?

I also noticed that Grenoble offeres the degree of "Doctorate of Business Administration" and not "Doctor of Business Administration" as is traditional.

Is there a reason for this?

 

I made my check out to "Grenoble Graduate School of Business" and all of the literature I have is GGSB. All of the presentations given are GGSB.

Do you think someone from "Massachusetts Institute of Technology (Ranked #4 Doctoral school in the US) would have a hard time? What about Dartmouth College? They are only ranked 9th in the country. My nephew is a William and Mary college - they are only 31st. Georgia Institute of Tehcnology, Boston College, Rutgers, the list goes on and on, and on, and on......

 

Re: Doctor of Doctorate?

I don't know, but maybe someone else does (and I will ask the school too).

 

I'd like to think that RA is still a gold standard, and that NCU is an exception to the rule.
And I'm confident that if NCU keeps up their ways, their RA will be revoked.

Fair enough, there are always going to be schools in all countries with questionable quality that somehow manage to weasle their way through the accreditation systems, ministries of education, etc., and I'm sure that Canada is NO exception.

It will not happen. It is not a research university and does not have enough full time faculty to even meet the minimum standards of AACSB (which are VERY rigurous).

but so is what?
And what is your rationale that AACSB standars are set too low?
You do understand that many of the AACSB schools are regarded as the finest in the world.

-S

 

If NCU is the "exception" to the rule, then it must be real easy to fool the system. I would think that a university applying for accreditation is a serious matter. The Northcentral Association owes it to the educational system to verify the legitimacy of the applying school. Obviously, NCU met the minimum standards, and that is pretty sad. Perhaps NCU's accreditation will be revoked, perhaps not. We'll see.

No school has "weasled" its way through the accreditation process in Canada. This is almost as absurd as saying that a British university "weasled" its way into a Royal Charter. This is laughable. Her Majesty the Queen would get a laugh out of this one!

It's true, some AACSB-accredited schools are regarded as the finest in the world (included are Canadian and British schools), but some are regarded as not so fine on the same list. That's the problem.

 

He is (and now I am) asking which AACSB schools are "not so fine."

 

Good for you!
If the end diploma will say the same, even better for you!

Ahem,
actually, to be frankly again,
except for the MIT, which everybody knows, none of these named schools would be considered "top notch" in Europe although I truly believe you that they are... - no one would even know that they are better schools than e.g. Excelsior College or so.
Actually, maybe only 5 % of all people in Academia now more US schools than the say Top-20, maybe plus some State Universities...
Anyway, as I said, if the program suits you best, it´s good for you. I just wanted to remark that you might get into "explanation situations".
Actually, that is why I did not take an MBA at a French ESC -> because no-one out-of-France would even know what an ESC is, and everybody in Academia would ask "why didn´t you make your MBA at a real `university´" (I checked that out carefully, and that is why I changed my plans). France is a little "world-on-its-own", and not really standard for Europe...
Besides, I found an MBA program in Germany that was tuition free, and I´m doing my doctorate in Austria right now, where yearly tution is only around € 700. Ah, coming to the naming "doctorate". That is pretty common in Europe. You "make your doctorate", but you GET a "Doctor"´s degree (usually, the abbreviation in the EU is "Dr.", and not DBA or PhD). So you shouldn´t bother, I´m pretty sure your end diploma will either say DBA or Dr., but not "Doctorate".
Greets,
Trigger

 

I think there are tiers in the AACSB system. Like Harvard versus Sac State. Both schools are AACSB, but one is ranked , and the other is not. one is more competitive to get accepted, the other is not.

I think that everybody is looking for one gold star to show quality of schools, but it is a combination of factors. Accreditation, class size, faculty publishing, etc. All of these come into play (any many more) when deciding on a school.

 

I think there are piers in the AACSB system. Like Harvard versus Sac State. Both schools are AACSB, but one is ranked , and the other is not. one is more competitive to get accepted, the other is not.

I think that everybody is looking for one gold star to show quality of schools, but it is a combination of factors. Accreditation, class size, faculty publishing, etc. All of these come into play (any many more) when deciding on a school.

 

I think in the academic world nobody would believe that if you have University in the name, that the school is not considered to be a good school. What happens if they have Univeristy twice in the name - does that make it twice as good. I guess we just disagree, but that what this board is all about, but I can't believe anybody would say that a word within the school name would say whether it is a good school. Puzzling to me, but OK, some thing differently than me.

Also, the researach committees and administration would know if the school is ranked (like the ones I named). I know all of the schools I named are very highly regarded, not on in the US, but elsewhere. If the adminstration did not know them at the school you were applying, I would run.

In the business world, maybe the HR person would not, but they usually just check to make sure the school is accredited.