CAN AN APOSTILLED DEGREE BE FAKE? DOES APOSTILLING SHOWS THAT THE DEGREE IS VALID AND TRUE AND MUST ACCEPTED AS ONE BY LAW ? PLEASE HELP. I HAVE IN FRONT OF ME A DEGREE OF AN UNKNOWN (TO ME) UNIVERSITY BUT IS BEEN APOSTILLED BY A BRITISH GOVERMENT OFFICE.WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THANK YOU
Yes, Voulgeor, an apostilled degree can be fake--both a fake school and a fake document. All apostille is, is a kind of notarization that a copy of a document brandished at an official is a real copy of THAT document. It says nothing about the authenticity of the original, still less about the school which (ostensibly) issued it. Which school is involved?
My understanding. My understanding is that it means its an offical document. However, that does not mean it is accredited or acknowledge as a degree. A birth certificate can carry the same mark and it is not a degree or education. That is how I understand it, use on your own accord. Paul
I RECIEVED MAIL FROM AN APOSTILLING SERVICE COMPANY I ASKED. THEY SAY THAT APOSTILLED DOCUMENTS ARE ACCEPTED (BY A HUAG OR SOMETHING CONVESION) AS TRUE DOCUMENTS IN A NUMBER OF COUNTRYS BY LAW! AND THAT AN APOSTILLED DOCUMENT IS BEEN VERIFIED AGAINST THE ORIGINAL AND THE AUTHORITY THAT ISUE THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT. FOR THE DEGREE THEY SAY THAT ALL DEGREES MUST BE APOSTILED TO BE USED IN A DIFFERENT COUNTRY. OH I AM IN A VERY DIFICULT POSITION..
My God, man, get a grip! (Slaps Voulgeor as waves slosh over the deck). Thanks, Cap'n. I needed that. Seriously, here's the deal. The Hague Convention indicates that documents apostilled by the foreign service of one signatory country are accepted as authentically apostilled by the other signatory countries. So, if the US State Dept apostilles a document, it will be accepted by the Mongolian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and vice versa. All that means is that the Mongolians will trust the Americans' certification that Document A' is an exact copy of Document A. Document A itself may well be a total fake--that is beyond the purview of apostilling, which guarantees only that one piece of paper matches another piece of paper. Apostilling does not confer legitimate accreditation or legality upon a "degree". All it does is say that, for example, " " is a true copy of . It does not say that is an authentic . What's the school? If you tell us what the school is, I am quite sure that this forum can tell you whether the school itself is legitimate, accredited, etc. Best wishes, Janko
AIU American InterContinental University AND SORRY IF I AM LOOKING STOOPID TO YOU BUT I CANT INSLULT SOMEONE WITHOUT REAL PROOF. "YOU KNOW SOMEONE ON THE INTERNET SAID YOU ARE FRAUD". I CANT SHOW THE ANSWER OF A FORUM AND KICK SOMEONE OUT. I THINK YOU CAN UNTERSTAND THAT. I NEED PROOF. I DONT NOW WHAT THIS THING APOSTILLE IS BUT I RESIEVED THIS ANSWER "What is an Apostille? This is the documentary device by which a government department, usually the State Department, Justice Ministry or Foreign Ministry, authenticates a document as genuine, thereby legalizing it for use in another member country under the terms laid out in 1961. Once a document has been Apostilled, thereby providing official government authentication of the signatures and stamps appearing on it, it is automatically deemed legalized for use in another member country. An Apostille consists of the following: (1) name of country from which the document emanates; (2) name of person signing the document; (3) the capacity in which the person signing the document has acted; (4) in the case of unsigned documents, the name of the authority which has affixed the seal or stamp; (5) place of certification; (6) date of certification; (7) the authority issuing the certificate; (8) number of certificate; (9) seal or stamp of authority issuing certificate; (10) signature of authority issuing certificate. The simplicity and lack of ambiguity has led to the Apostille becoming a favoured form of validation of documents worldwide, even in countries that are not actually signatories to The Hague Conference. " IS ALL THAT WRONG? IF IS NOT I CANT TURN THE GUY DOWN.
http://www.aiuonline.edu/ Hi Voulgeor. If the school is the American Intercontinental University linked above, it is a legitimate "regionally accredited" (Southern Association) university. If you are writing from outside the US, know that "regional accreditation" is the more prestigious of the two forms of legitimate accreditation existing in the USA. So the school is OK. What you quoted about apostille is correct. Please observe, though, for your own peace of mind, that none of that equals an academic evaluation of anything. All it means is that physical documents match one another and nothing, absolutely nothing more. You're not looking stupid. Now that you know what apostille is and is not, you can proceed without fear of insulting anybody. If you need to verify that your applicant really DID graduate from AIU, contact the university directly and check it out with them. If you are satisfied as to that fact, you now know that the school is legitimate and accredited. If this kind of question arises for you in the future, please come back and check out accreditation issues. We can verify whether or not a college or university possess US accreditation in either of its forms, and in almost all cases we can accurately determine whether a university elsewhere possesses the equivalent level of legitimacy. We can refer you to the websites of the American legitimate accreditors, so that if somebody comes to you claiming a degree from, say, American Phony University of Pig Hollow, Michigan, you can confidently say American Phony University is neither regionally accredited nor nationally accredited. This statement will then NOT be based on some internet wiseguy's personal opinion, but upon public record information available through the internet. Many persons in your position do not bother to make the inquiries you have made, and wind up hiring fools or frauds as a result. Your willingness to investigate makes it much less likely that you will inadvertently insult someone than if you just went ahead and guessed blindly. Best wishes to you, and congratulations on an investigation well done.
thank you very much for your nice words. i didnt know your great forum til to day. one last question. do you know what the UCC is ? United Congress Of Colleges. 77 Avalon Crescent Arklaw Co Wicklow.Republic of Ireland. says "provides indepentend third-party verification of program quality and legal status of degree institutions" can they confirm accreditation status of an institution in england? thank you.
UCC & CIU... UCC is a fraudulent accrediting agency that works with a variety of diploma mills emanating from the UK, including Earlscroft. They also work with the folks behind "instantdegrees", who also have links to Saint Regis University. One of the many spinoffs was a diploma mill called "Cambridge Intercontinental University". I'm wondering if this is the actual name of the degree that your applicant is trying to pass off on you? If so, CIU is one of the UCC "schools", and definitely not legitimate. Good luck.
I ran across AIU's Spanish website today. Interesting to see the usual disclaimers and explanations about their lack of accreditation in Spanish. Actually, a little worrisome.
AIU, American InterContinental University, is accredited. Perhaps it is one of the other AIUs: 1. American International University (Alabama) 2. American International University (California) 3. American International University (Hawaii) 4. American International University (Indiana) 5. American International University (Suriname) Any of those would be AIU, but would be unaccredited (to say the least). There is no reason why a degree from American InterContinental University would have or need an apostille. Tom Nixon
