Lab Requirements for Excelsior BSEET?

Does anyone have any suggestions on the easiest (meaning quickest) way to solve the lab requirements for the Excelsior Bachelor of Electronics Engineering degree? Thanks in advance!

 

Well, if you want to do it online your options are pretty limited. You can, possibly use ODU's BSET programs' lab courses online (via Teletechnet or Streaming Video) or on cdrom (navy college BSGET courses are offer this way.

Other than taking lab courses at a local university, that's all I can think of. Have you started yet? If not, Weber State University has a BS in Computer and Electronics Engineering Technology that is ABET accredited. Not that Excelsior's program is bad, but it is geared towards people who have a lot of the lab credit already (like Navy Nukes, and now nuclear power plant operators apparently). If you don't mind it NOT being ABET, Excelsior also has a BS in Technology with various disciplines which is a lot easier to complete considering it does not require lab work.

Best Regards,
Bill

 

Does Weber offer its lab courses online or through independnet study? Otherwise Dude is in the same boat.

On Excelsior you can check out their DistanceLearn database and see what lab courses are available. See: http://distancelearn.excelsior.edu/

Advisors can help you find courses that can meet lab requirements too. I did a quick distance learn search and found:

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Sinclair Community College
http://www.sinclair.edu/distance/


Course Title: Digital Logic & Circuits

Course Number: EET 231

Prerequisite: Take EET-114 EET-116

Course Description:
Number systems, codes, boolean algebra, Karnaugh mapping, exclusive circuits or arithmetic circuits. Three lecture, two lab hours per week.

Undergraduate Semester Credit: 2.66
Undergraduate Quarter Credit: 4.0
Graduate Credit:

Cost
Costs can vary within degree programs at the same college. Listed is the out-of-state or non-resident tuition. If you are a resident of the state offering this course, tuition may be lower. Please contact the institution to verify current costs.

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And the BSEET degree from Excelsior is ABET accredited.
I did an Excelsior degree in physics which required lab. I took lab classes at the local university. Community College lab courses are a way to get inexpensive lower level lab credit too.

John

 

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Hi Guys,

Thanks for your responses. I have not started this program yet, I'm only exploring my options at the moment.

The reason why I am interested in this program is that it could be very helpful to me in becoming a licensed engineer in my state. I have looked through it and it seems like I already have a very large chunk of the requirements for this degree (the entire arts and science components). I am currently lacking the 48 credit technology component . It seems like I would already have the knowlege to pass quite a few more of these with the Ohio University exams, leaving me with mostly just the labs requirement. I don't know if it would be possible to find the courses necessary to meet these requirements.

I currently have four and a half years of engineering work experience and plan on taking the Fundamentals of Engineering exam this April. According to my state board of engineers, they will allow a person with an ABET engineering degree to take the PE exam after 4 years of experience and a person with an ABET engineering technology degree to take the PE exam after 5 years of experience.

If anyone has any other suggestions on what would work for me please let me know. Thanks again!

 

BSET

Indiana State University has a Bachelors of Science in Electronic Technology.

It is "NAIT" accredited which CHEA recognized.
It also has a regional accreditation.

The Indiana State University BSET may satisfy some employer's requirements that have a Industrial/Management focus.

 

Bachelors of Science Electronic Engineering / Technology

ELECTRONIC/ELECTRICAL BACHELORS DEGREE IN TECHNOLOGY/ENGINEERING
DISTANCE EDUCATION UNIVERSITIES
By Paul R. Clark

University of North Carolina
Office of Distance Education
University of North Carolina at Charlotte
9201 University City Blvd
Charlotte, NC 28223-0001
Call toll free: 1-877-583-2966

http://www3.uncc.edu/disted/visitors/program/vis_program.htm

Accreditation: Regional and ABET/TAC




Indiana State University
200 North Seventh Street, Terre Haute,
Indiana, USA 47809-9989
1-800-742-0891
http://web.indstate.edu/index.html

Accreditation: Regional and (NAIT) National Association of Industrial Technology



Excelsior College
7 Columbia Circle
Albany, NY 12203-5159
Call toll free: 888-647-2388
http://distancelearn.excelsior.edu/

Accreditation: Regional and TAC / ABET



Thomas Edison State College
101 W. State St. • Trenton, NJ 08608-1176
Phone: 1-888-442-8372 (toll-free)
http://www.tesc.edu/prospective/undergraduate/degree/bsast.php

Accreditation: Middle States Association of Colleges and Schools



Cleveland Institute of Electronics / World College
1776 East 17th Street
Cleveland Ohio 44114
Phone (800)-CIE-OHIO (243-6446)
http://www.cie-wc.edu/WorldCollege/Main.html

Accreditation: DETC / The Distance Education and Training Council


Grantham College of Engineering
34641 Grantham College Road,
Slidell, LA 70460
Toll free inside the U.S: 1-800-955-2527
http://www.grantham.edu/

Accreditation: DETC / The Distance Education and Training Council



Rochester Institute of Technology
Online Learning
91 Lomb Memorial Drive
Rochester, NY 14623-5603

Phone: 1.800.CALL.RIT (Voice/TTY)

http://distancelearning.rit.edu/courses/programs/view.cfm?program_uuid=F374335B-0852-865B-28253F-836E32725D

Accreditation: Middle States Association of Colleges and Schools



Old Dominion University

Department of Engineering Technology
Old Dominion University
214 Kaufman Hall
Norfolk, VA 23529-0243
757-683-3775

http://www.et.odu.edu/eet.html

Accreditation: Regional / ABET



California National University
8550 Balboa Blvd.
Suite 210
Northridge, CA
91325-3576
Phone: 800-782-2422

http://www.cnuas.edu/

Accreditation: DETC / The Distance Education and Training Council


When choosing a college it is important to consider the direction you may want to pursue after you graduate. If you wish to become a Professional Engineer it will be important to choose an educational program that is ABET accredited.

Disclaimer: This information is provided in good faith. Use at your own risk.

 

Greetings.

I posted a reply to the OP earlier today, but it seems to have been lost in the either. I shall quickly summarize my previous post:

a) Excelsior does NOT offer an engineering degree; they offer an BS in Engineering TECHNOLOGY. An ABET accredited BSEET is certainly likely to be helpful for acquiring a PE license, but not as helpful as a genuine BSEE(no T).

b) Technikon SA (www.tsa.ac.za), which is being merged into the University of South Africa (www.unisa.ac.za), offers oodles of EET courses WITH LAB entirely by distance. (Of course they also offer non-EET courses, and courses without lab. <g>) You accomplish the lab part by completing exercises while working under a pre-approved supervisor (e.g. someone at your electronics-related place of employment).

I do not know if TSA offers its courses a la carte, or if it would be worth the bother & expense of transferring credits from TSA to Excelsior, of if you would be better off enrolling with TSA directly. I am merely bringing the information to your attention.


Cordially,
Richard Kanarek

Addendum:
Laser100 was kind enough to post a list of alternate Engineering/Engineering Technology colleges. Regrettably, I think you'll find all of his alternatives ghastly.

The NYS PE licensure people place absolutely no value whatever in a DETC accredited degree; incredibly, they will award you educational credit for having an Associate in flower arranging, but absolutely no credit for a DETC BSEE! Although you are not in NY, I would avoid a DETC BSEE (if possible) if I were you!

The other colleges listed invariably offer BSEET degrees, not BSEE degrees, if they offer electronics related degrees at all. (The Bears' Guide, while handy in many ways, in "less than wonderful" for those with an EE interest.<g>)

The only proper, ABET BSEE available by mostly distance in the USA is the one offered by the University of North Dakota (http://www.conted.und.edu/cedp/).

The problems with UND are as follows:
1) UND's prices range from acceptable to punitively expensive, depending upon ones location.
2) Their engineering course work is not based upon traditional, paper based correspondence, but new-age multimedia (video/dvd/etc) which is supplied more or less at the same schedule as campus classes (i.e. its rather hostile to the employed, adult learner).
3) UND discriminates against distance learning other than its own.

 

UND or UNC

RKanarek is correct.

The Engineering "Technology" is less desirable for PE registration.

However, it is apart of ABET. The Technology aspect is handled by the (TAC) group of ABET.

If you choose a Engineering "Technology" program their will be additional class work required before you are allowed to sit for the (EIT) exam. The experience requirement is longer for the Technology major also.

I understand that you can use a degree from a physics focus with additional classroom requirements also. However, this route requires at least 6 years of experience in some states.

I'm a little foggy on the last mentioned route so review your State's requirements for detailed information.

 

Greetings.

Yet another unsolicited addendum to a post by my colleague Laser100:

Typically (to the extent that there is a typical), a state licensure board will require a greater amount of work experience from a ABET/BSEET degree holder before awarding a PE license than they do for a ABET/BSEE degree holder. A non-ABET degree holder will typically be put to still greater pains. This is based upon my previous research, NOT personal experience. Further, I don't believe that BSEET holders are typically required to take "additional classes"; indeed, it is possible (in some location) to become a PE without having taken any classes at all (with the required amount of work experience).

The preceding is based upon my recollection of my research (for which I, unlike Dr. Duglas, did not get a doctorate; Grrr <g>). A better source for accurate information is http://ppi2pass.com/catalog/servlet/MyPpi, and your state PE licensure board.


Cordially,
Richard Kanarek

 

Hi Guys,

Thanks for your replies. As I mentioned earlier, in my state, ABET engineering degrees require 4 years of experience and ABET engineering technology degrees require 5 years of experience. As I already have 4 and a half years of experience, and should have another half year of experience or much more by the time I have any engineering or engineering technology degree, either one should be just fine, though it is clear that the engineering degree will be more highly regarded.

The South African school's classes I find interesting, but I need to research this topic to see if they will allow me to take individual lab classes.

Oh well, looks like I've still got a little more road to travel before I can get the PE stamp, starting with passing the FE exam this April.

 

PE not needed by most employers.

Dude,

You should conduct some research on how relevent a PE license is for employment. I work for a leading aerospace corporation and we have no PE licensed engineers in the company. The PE license is becoming a status symbol in non-civil service positions.
Nice to have but not necessary.

If you plan to go into a civil service position then the ABET degree is favored because you will need a PE license.

My review of the engineering field has led me to conclude that experienced engineers get sick of working in design engineering after a few years and migrate into Technical Management or Engineering Management. If you plan to follow this course then a "NAIT" accreditation is more appropriate for that course.

This information is provided in good faith, use on your own accord.
Consult a specialist for detailed direction.

 

Hi Laser,

Thanks for your thoughts. The PE stamp is necessary for the work that I plan to do. I currently work in my dad's engineering business doing private consulting work. The reason why I want the PE stamp is so that I can become self-employed and sign for this work on my own, and increase my salary.

 

Greetings.

I recently stumbled across the following course, offered by Brigham Young University. (One of BYU's few faults is that it categorizes DL classes in ways that are entirely justifiable, but hardly intuitive. <g>)
TTE 209 - Basic Electricity (3 credits, $345)
http://ce.byu.edu/is/site/catalog/description.dhtm?subject=19&course=TTE209Basic+Electricity
Requires basic electronics test equipment.
(FYI: TTE stands for "Technology Teacher Education.")

Good luck!


Cordially,
Richard Kanarek

 

Dude,

in my discussions with Dr. Clapp at Weber State ([email protected]) he seemed very
open to assisting and may be able to point you to someone who can help with your lab requirement. Their programs are reasonable and ABET. You may want to e-mail him and get some guided advice. They have a strong emphasis on math. I looked at all the options above. I threw out the BSEET program because it is not normally a means to the MSEE and because the government does not recognize the BSEET as an "engineering" degree. Kind of silly but you can be, civil, mechanical, electrical, etc...but not a BSEET.


Iowa State had a DL BSEE but dropped the program just as I went to apply.

Good luck.

 

Re the bseet vs bsee debate if you have a GPA of 3 in the arts and sciences and the right papers you can apply for stony brook online bsee. Which is super cool.