they say this in the UK !!

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  1. fadel

    fadel New Member

    the british say -comparing the quality of their education- to that of others':

    We sell opportunities .We do not sell degrees !!

    is that right ?
    and whom do they mean ??
     
  2. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    The UK has been--and remains--a haven for diploma mills.
     
  3. MarkIsrael@aol.com

    [email protected] New Member

    Searching on Google for "we sell opportunities" finds 5 Web pages, none of them about education, and none of them British.

    I also never heard this phrase during the 5 years I lived in England.
     
  4. Jack Tracey

    Jack Tracey New Member

    Marketing babble. Who cares.
    Jack
     
  5. Lawrie Miller

    Lawrie Miller New Member

    haven
    1 : HARBOR, PORT
    2 : a place of safety : ASYLUM
    3 : a place offering favorable opportunities or conditions

    (Merriam-Webster)


    Specifically, which diploma mills operate legally in the U.K., Rich? Which are afforded sucker and comfort by British authorities? Could you name the names, and detail the character and scope of the sanctuary you allege they enjoy?

    How many in total? Enumerate.
     
  6. Lawrie Miller

    Lawrie Miller New Member

    Drivel.

    Riding the tube daily to Regents Park station, in the early Eighties, a ubiquitous advertisement for a dating agency claimed their clientele comprised, ". . . the educated rather than the merely schooled". Frightening thought that any two so self absorbed might couple and breed.

    It may be that they did, and that the copy you cite is the work of their progeny. Consolation however, that this hybrid of highbrows is likely sterile, and that this is the end of their line.
     
  7. Lawrie Miller

    Lawrie Miller New Member

    Interesting notion and fun to visualize. That's succor, of course.
     
  8. Laser100

    Laser100 New Member

    British Educational Integrity

    I don't know what you guys are talking about when you bash the British educational system as a haven for diploma mills.

    The British have shut down a questionable educator about 4 yrs ago called Oxford International College better known as Bircham International University.

    Bircham International still operates in the US.

    The United Kingdom has actively pursued diploma mills and are closing the loop-holes in their system faster than the United States.
     
  9. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    Many schools registered in foreign domains such as the Seychelles or Caribbean flyspecks operate as purported branches of foreign universities. The main campus is a usually a lawyers office.

    I think the UK could require that the guest university actually have a real campus back home and be a generally recognized university. They could also require that the guest university have no more students than the main campus.

    Many people think they are getting a real UK degree when they are third world wallpaper.

    An example, although it may not be a degree mill, is the American University of London, registered, I believe in the Seychelles.

    The UK does have a problem, still.
     
  10. Michael

    Michael Member

    Lawrie,

    "Succor", yes.... but I liked "sucker" better, and that might be more appropriate. :)
     
  11. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    It is absolutely true, Lawrie. The despicable UK law is that these degree mills have free reign to rip off people as long as they don't sell their worthless diplomas to a UK address and they state that their degree mills aren't operating under royal charter or parliament proclamation.

    You want a list? Here's a list of the 25 degree mills with a UK address that are listed in the degree mill chapter of the 12th version of Bears' Guide.

    http://follies.werewolves.org/PhDFraud/
     
  12. ianmoseley

    ianmoseley New Member

    The law is actually that they cannot claim to be providing a UK degree unless they are in a list maintained by the government.

    If they offer a foreign degree then that is not controlled directly.

    Some on that list of Dr Bear's are recognised and reputable bodies - I am not sure why they are included. (e.g. University of London).

    You should also be aware that, just because someone has a London address does not mean they have a physical presence in the UK. One I know of uses a mail-box where the mail is then sent to another mail-box in Portugal.

    If you check the postcode for London Sanford University you will find it sharers a virtual office with such interesting companions as the London Fetish Fair and a supplier of anarchist yiddish books! Again, the chance of it have a phsical base here is remote.
     
  13. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    It is absolutely true Lawrie.

    List of Chapter 25 Diploma Mills (Dr. Bear's book 12th edition) from the UK.

    Academy College of Holy Studies
    Academy of the Science of Man
    Albany Educational Services
    Avatar Episcopal University
    Avatar International University
    Brantridge Forest School
    British College of Soma-Therapy
    British Collegiate Institute
    Broadhurst University
    California Institute of Higher Learning
    Central School of Religion
    City Medical Correspondence College
    College of Applied Science London
    College of Divine Metaphysics
    College of Spiritual Sciences
    Collegium Technologicum Sussexensis Britannia
    Creative University of Southeast London
    Cromwell University
    Ecclesiastical University of Sheffield
    Episcopal University of London
    European College of Science and Man
    Faraday College
    Gordon Arlen College
    Harley University
    Inter-State College
    International Protestant Birkbest College
    London College of Physiology
    London College of Theology
    London Educational College
    London Institute for Applied Research
    London School for Social Research
    London Tottenham International Christian University
    Lyne College
    Metropolitan Collegiate
    Ministerial Training College
    Morton-Colwyn University
    National Ecclesiastical University
    National University of Sheffield
    Nebraska College of Physical Medicine
    Newcastle University
    Northwest London University
    Obura University
    Oxford College of Applied Science
    Oxford Institute for Applied Research
    Saint John Chrysostom College
    School of Applied Sciences
    School of Psychology and Psychotherapy
    Shield College
    South Eastern Extension College
    Southern Eastern University
    Sussex College of Technology
    Trinity Collegiate Institute
    United Free University of England
    Universal Ecclesiastical University
    Universitas Iltiensis
    Universitates Sheffieldensis
    University of London
    University of Coventry
    University of England
    University of England at Oxford
    University of Sheffield
    University of Sulgrave
    University of the Old Catholic Church
    University of the Science of Man
    University of Winchester
    West London College of Technology
    Western Orthodox University
    Whitby Hall College
    Wordsworth Memorial University

    If you want more detail on how the UK provides a safe haven for these frauds then read Bears' Guide. A summary is that they are free to defraud as much as they want as long as they don't send any of their worthless diplomas to any UK address.

    EDIT: Oops, sorry I didn't realize that someone had just bumped an old thread.
     
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  14. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    The reason that some on Dr. Bear's list are also real schools is that the fake school has chosen the same name as a real school to cause confusion and make it more difficult to identify the diploma as a fake.
     
  15. GUNSMOKE

    GUNSMOKE New Member

    I prefer "SUCKER" myself!

    I have two high reolution inkjets and a high resolution B sized laser printer and a half dozen computers with a bunch of cheapie graphics software. I can buy ANY kind of paper you want, download any fonts you like and create for less than $3 a piece as many phony degrees in the name of your choice in the field of your choice, and name of granting institution of your choice, real or imagined. All without going to much more effort than producing a "creatively enhanced" resume!

    Given that, exactly what else would you call someone who would send thousands of $$$ to someone who had gone the extra step of incorporating an IBC in some foreign jurisdiction?

    Well, okay, STUPID sucker..........

    :D
     
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  16. ianmoseley

    ianmoseley New Member

    The following is a list of bodies on the compnaies house register
    (www.companieshouse.gov.uk) that use the term university and have a Roayl Charter.

    RC000629 UNIVERSITIES CHINA COMMITTEE IN LONDON
    RC000630 UNIVERSITY COLLEGE LIVERPOOL
    RC000631 UNIVERSITY COLLEGE LONDON
    RC000632 UNIVERSITY COLLEGE NOTTINGHAM
    RC000633 UNIVERSITY COLLEGE OF LEICESTER(THE)
    RC000634 UNIVERSITY COLLEGE OF NORTH STAFFORDSHIRE
    RC000635 UNIVERSITY COLLEGE OF NORTH WALES
    RC000636 UNIVERSITY COLLEGE OF RHODESIA & NYASALAND(THE)
    RC000637 UNIVERSITY COLLEGE OF SHEFFIELD
    RC000638 UNIVERSITY COLLEGE OF SOUTH WALES
    RC000639 UNIVERSITY COLLEGE OF SWANSEA & WEST WALES
    RC000640 UNIVERSITY COLLEGE OF THE WEST INDIES
    RC000641 UNIVERSITY COLLEGE OF WALES ABERYSTWYTH
    RC000642 UNIVERSITY LIFE ASSURANCE SOCIETY
    RC000643 UNIVERSITY OF ADELAIDE
    RC000644 UNIVERSITY OF BATH (THE)
    RC000645 UNIVERSITY OF BIRMINGHAM
    RC000646 UNIVERSITY OF BOTSWANA LESOTHO AND SWAZILAND (THE)
    RC000647 UNIVERSITY OF BRADFORD(THE)
    RC000648 UNIVERSITY OF BRISTOL
    RC000649 UNIVERSITY OF DUNDEE(THE)
    RC000650 UNIVERSITY OF DURHAM
    RC000651 UNIVERSITY OF EAST ANGLIA
    RC000652 UNIVERSITY OF ESSEX
    RC000653 UNIVERSITY OF EXETER
    RC000654 UNIVERSITY OF HULL
    RC000655 UNIVERSITY OF KEELE
    RC000656 UNIVERSITY OF KENT
    RC000657 UNIVERSITY OF LANCASTER
    RC000658 UNIVERSITY OF LEEDS
    RC000659 UNIVERSITY OF LEICESTER
    RC000660 UNIVERSITY OF LIVERPOOL
    RC000661 UNIVERSITY OF LONDON
    RC000662 UNIVERSITY OF MANCHESTER INSTITUTE OF SCIENCE & TECHNOLOGY(THE)
    RC000663 UNIVERSITY OF NEW ZEALAND
    RC000664 UNIVERSITY OF NOTTINGHAM (THE)
    RC000665 UNIVERSITY OF READING
    RC000666 UNIVERSITY OF SALFORD(THE)
    RC000667 UNIVERSITY OF SHEFFIELD
    RC000668 UNIVERSITY OF SOUTHAMPTON
    RC000669 UNIVERSITY OF STIRLING(THE)
    RC000670 UNIVERSITY OF STRATHCLYDE VIZ ROYAL COLLEGE OF SCIENCE & TECHNOLOGY
    RC000671 UNIVERSITY OF SURREY(THE)
    RC000672 UNIVERSITY OF SUSSEX(THE)
    RC000673 UNIVERSITY OF TASMANIA
    RC000674 UNIVERSITY OF THE SOUTH PACIFIC (THE)
    RC000675 UNIVERSITY OF THE WEST INDIES
    RC000676 UNIVERSITY OF WALES
    RC000677 UNIVERSITY OF WALES INSTITUTE OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY (THE)
    RC000678 UNIVERSITY OF WARWICK
    RC000679 UNIVERSITY OF YORK
    RC000680 UNIVERSITY(1249)
    RC000691 UNIVERSITY OF WALES COLLEGE OF MEDICINE
    RC000726 THE UNIVERSITY OF ULSTER
    RC000730 THE UNIVERSITY OF BUCKINGHAM
     

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