Desperately seeking DBA/PhD program

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  1. Han

    Han New Member

    I would consider a school that has a B&M factor. I do think there is a stigma out there. There are several to choose from. The debate is out there, it is just safer in my mind.
     
  2. wise1

    wise1 New Member

    I am currently deciding on a DL DBA or Phd program. I cannot seem to decide on which school, or even whether to go DBA or PhD.
    My reasons for a doctoral program are professional, not academic.
    I simply seek a competitive edge edge.
    After much research and reading through these discussion boards, I have probably narrowed it down to either UoP or Touro.
    Touro seems to be a big favorite, and UoP seems to be hated by most.

    I have accepted that all of these DL programs will suffer from credibiliy/
    reputation issues. However if accredidation and residency issues are
    a priority, I still cannot rule out Capella, Nova or Walden, although Walden
    seems expensive per semester just for being in the program.

    Is UoP really that bad just because its parent is the mother of all DL
    programs?

    Why is Touro held in high regard?? Is it just the "branch of a b&m school"
    thing?

    Any and all help is greatly appreciated.

    My backgroud:
    BBA University of Texas
    MBA St. Mary's University
     
  3. Ike

    Ike New Member

    No, I don't think so.

    Many current Touro students post their experiences here. They also do some promo for the school here. I will also say that sometimes their stories are bloated.

    Ike Okonkwo, Ph.D.
     
  4. aa4nu

    aa4nu Member

    Bloated?

    "Many current Touro students post their experiences
    here. They also do some promo for the school here.
    I will also say that sometimes their stories are bloated."

    Ike,

    Care to qualify your statements above as to
    being honest and accurate? Or are they simply
    your opinion, not based on confirmable facts?

    Especially in like of NSU postings that seem to
    run in the same tracks ... as your posts about
    your school are not to be considered "promo",
    but if TUI students make similar remarks those
    are considered "promo"? Oh ... really ... B-)

    There are no perks for TUI students, nor are
    they encouraged to "promo" their school.

    Thanks,

    Billy, TUI Ph.D. student.
     
  5. DisasterDave

    DisasterDave New Member

    DBA/PhD

    I am also in the same boat as you are. Seeking a suitable Doctoral program but, I am more into the academic end versus the professional end. I don't think you have to worry about credibility or reputation issues with those schools. If the school is Regionally Accredited the distance issue is not a bad thing. I also considered most of the programs you mentioned but had two main problems with them: All were very expensive and some you could enter the program with a Bachelors and if you held a Masters and little or none of your course work was granted transfer credit it just seemed like alot of extra course work to get the degree.

    I think two of the issues with U of P is the quality of some of the faculty and interaction during some of the classes. (feedback I have seen from these boards)

    The point is you should decided what is best for you on these factors:

    Is the school regionally accredited or regocnized under GAAP as such in the case of non-US schools

    How much can you afford to spend or want to spend

    How long do you want it to take

    Can you meet the residency requirement if there is one versus do you want to have to do residency

    How much course work will you have to do based on how many Graduate (Masters) transfer credits they will give you

    What is your reasoning for wanting the degree: to get a better job, to make a significant academic contribution to the total sum of knowledge etc.

    In my case I have decided on a non-US school due to cost and wanting to do research versus doing a bunch of course work.

    You may also want to consider Northcentral University. NCU is Regionally Accredited and more reasonable in cost compared to Capella, Walden, and U of P.
     
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  6. DisasterDave

    DisasterDave New Member

    B&M Factor??

    I really am not mentally challenged but, What is a B&M factor??
     
  7. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    Re: B&M Factor??

    Brick & Mortar - if the facitilty has a "campus" it could be consider more acceptable.
     
  8. bgossett

    bgossett New Member

    Re: B&M Factor??

    Bricks & Mortar. Kristie probably intends a program with some mandatory residential component.
     
  9. DisasterDave

    DisasterDave New Member

    B&M Factor

    Wow, I actually learned something new today. I did read something about "Bricks and Mortar" in Bear's Guide and I am aware of that issue. When I saw "B&M factor" it just didn't come to mind. Perhaps I am still somewhat brain numb from recently finishing my dissertation. :eek:
     
  10. chris

    chris New Member

    IKE, I was a TUI student

    and nothing I have read or written about Touro is bloated. Your comment was uncalled for. And since you have never been a Touro student it is, also, uninformed.

    To those asking, having a Brick and Mortar factor means being attached or related to a traditional campus. There are hybrids like UoP who have fixed sites however these also cater to the non-traditional student.
     
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  11. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

    As to U of P, your question is hard to answer. Their have been many posts here discussing the issue. I think if you read through them you will get a good measure of U of P's quality and reputation. The two biggest issues are that cost seems out of sync with quality/reputation and that many see it as "that business that runs an internet school". Reputation is almost completely perception and this poor perception may well limit the utility of U of P degrees.

    Touro is the new kid on the block but seems to be doing a fantastic job working with students. They also have had growing pains and may face other issues as they become more mature. It is a school that most people have never heard of so it does not suffer the same perception issues that U of P does.
     
  12. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: Desperately seeking DBA/PhD program

    Phoenix has more "on ground" students (their term) than online students.
     
  13. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

    Re: Re: Re: Desperately seeking DBA/PhD program

    Yes clearly, however we were talking about the public perception of Phoenix. How would you characterize the public's perception of U of P?
     
  14. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I have come to the same conclusion. I have asked many academics the way to get around this, it seems that one way to "gain" some credibility is to do a post-doctorate at a reputable institution. A doctorate from accredited university can give you access to a post-doctoral fellowship at a reputable university. This would kill any credibility issue.
     
  15. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Desperately seeking DBA/PhD program


    I don't think the general public thinks less or more about U of P than other DL programs like Touro, Walden, etc. The main issue is that U of P is vey well known because of its heavy advertisement.

    My students always say, if I don't get a 3.0 GPA and a GMAT of 600, I can always go to U of P. The main issue is that U of P and similars don't have high standards for entry. It doesn't mean that is a bad school, it only means that it is not regarded as a prestigious institution by the general public.
     
  16. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: Desperately seeking DBA/PhD program

    At some point, I considered Touro, U o P and Argosy. U o P and Argosy used "sales techniques" by calling me and putting pressure on me to sign up by offering me a "scholarship" or discount.

    Touro was more conservative and didn't use "cheap" tactics (at least to me). Other good point about Touro is that it has full time faculty staff compared to the U of P that relies heavily on cheap adjuct faculty.

    On the other hand, Touro doesn't require GMAT. But neither the other schools. Does Nova or other DL schools require GMAT? I don't think there is a DL school that requires this exam.
     
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  17. GBrown

    GBrown New Member

    Touro University International

    This may have some bearing on your decision:

    From:

    http://www.tourou.edu/cba/phd.htm

    "The Ph.D. degree progran has currently reached its capacity. TUI is accepting a limited number of new applicants on a competitive basis. Each applicant shall submit a full CV/resume and an essay covering your background, the reasons for pursuing the Ph.D. degree, and the expectations from the Ph.D. degree program."

    So, while TUI doesn't require GMAT, it is competitive. Perhaps this will be another boost for their reputation. Perhaps they will consider requiring the GMAT or GRE.

    I know from personal experience that TUI has undergone some serious changes over the last few years. The classes are much more rigorous (especially at the PhD level) and the faculty has grown by leaps and bounds.

    They do use adjunct faculty for dissertation committees, dissertation chairs, and "program expert professors" who help facilitate classes under the supervision of a "core professor" who is organic; however, EVERY one of the faculty holds a terminal degree. Not too many DL schools can say that!

    Good luck with your decision - do what's best for YOU.
     
  18. AV8R

    AV8R Active Member

    I believe that Kristie and I are looking for the same thing in a doctoral program. The program must be RA, it must have specialized business accreditation (AACSB), and the school needs to be well respected. In fulfillment of the latter requirement, the school will probably need to be a B&M school with a DL doctoral program. Let’s face it, the 100% DL schools that offer doctoral programs just don’t have the same degree of respect in the academic world. Don’t get me wrong, I know there are examples of people who have graduated from these doctoral programs and obtained college faculty positions; however, opportunity increases if the school has a B&M component.

    When I was looking for a MBA program, there were only a handful of programs in existence that were DL. Now, there are well over 100. I’m hoping that a similar explosion in DL programs at the doctoral level will soon occur. Until a program comes along that meets my requirements, I’ll wait.
     
  19. Andy Borchers

    Andy Borchers New Member

    Re: Re: Re: Desperately seeking DBA/PhD program

    RFValue - Nova does require the GMAT or GRE. You need to score over 500 on the GMAT or 1110 on the GRE.

    I've talked with NSU folks and they tell me from their experience the GMAT does correlate with sucess in completing a dissertation.

    This is a quite modest requirement. The B&M schools that I've looked typically require at least 550 if not 600 on the GMAT.

    If any school aspires to AACSB accreditation, I suspect you'll find them adding the GMAT.

    Regards - Andy

     
  20. sulla

    sulla New Member

    Andy Borchers wrote:

    As far as I know, Nova's business school has an almost open admission policy for their MBA program. Only those applicants with a GPA below 2.5 and those from non-accredited schools are required to take the GMAT.

    IOW, if you have a GPA of 2.5 or above you're automatically in!


    Here is the link:

    http://www.huizenga.nova.edu/admission/masters.cfm

    -S
     

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