University of Liverpool - KITcampus

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  1. Bill Grover

    Bill Grover New Member

    I doubt that Liverpool is good anymore now that it has lost its Trinity of Indiana accreditation...hee hee, sorry:D
     
  2. suncoast

    suncoast member

    How good is the university?

    I got a call from the school and was told that University of Liverpool was comparable to Harvard, Oxford, Upenn etc.

    How is their MBA program? Is their degree respected here in USA?

    http://www.liv.ac.uk

    http://www.kitcampus.com/home/index.phtml

    Thay have also agreed to give me a scholarship of $3800.00 if i send in my application by this thursday.

    Your comments would be really helpful.
     
  3. Professor Kennedy

    Professor Kennedy New Member

    I doubt if Liverpool is in the same league as Oxford (or Harvard). The distance degree with Kits is a commercial agreement with a Dutch education company and it is reported not to require final invigilated examinations. I would find such an arrangement worrying and one that would be unlikely to find favour with either Oxford or Harvard.

    However, it may be a good course, a may have marketable credibility and it may be what you require to suit your circumstances and aspirations.

    Pushing you to a decision by Thursday on promise of a sizeable discount (called a 'scholarship') is another cause for caution.
     
  4. ong

    ong New Member

    uk universities are normally judge on the strength of their research.

    in the 2001 Research Assessment Exercise (http://www.hero.ac.uk/rae/Results/)

    univ of Liverpool score a maximum rating of 5A or 5*A (i.e international excellence standard) on the following fields :

    Physiology
    Mechanical, Aeronautical and Manufacturing Engineering
    English Language and Literature
    Clinical Laboratory Sciences
    Pharmacology
    Biological Sciences
    Veterinary Science
    Chemistry
    Physics
    Earth Sciences
    Pure Mathematics
    Applied Mathematics
    Computer Science
    Electrical and Electronic Engineering
    Metallurgy and Materials
    American Studies
    French
    German, Dutch and Scandinavian Languages
    Archaeology
    History


    therefore if u are comparing the standard of liverpool uni say with oxford or cambridge on the above listed area of research, they should be on par or maybe better.

    just my 2cents

    ong
     
  5. bo79

    bo79 New Member




    Professor Kennedy,

    I disagree with you're comment. There are lot's of good schools out there that have an MBA program that dose not require final invigilated examinations.

    Bo
     
  6. bo79

    bo79 New Member

    Suncoast,

    I know a guy that did the U of Liverpool MBA by DL and he told me that he learned a lot from it. However I feel that $23000USD + books is way too much for a DL MBA program. Don't get me wrong U of Liverpool is an excellent UK school, but feel that for that there is a lot better options out there for that kind of money. Did you look in to the DL MBA programs at other UK schools like U of London, U of Wales or Leicester?

    Bo
     
  7. bo79

    bo79 New Member





    Then I think the best choices for you would be Morehead State U, Colorado State U, Ball State U or Oklahoma State U.
     
  8. suncoast

    suncoast member

    I am looking for a well respected or AACSB DL MBA. I have limit of $15~20K to spend as it comes out of my pocket. AACSB candidate is also ok for me. I was looking at CSUDH DL MBA .. but did not get any replies from anybody here about the school and the program. I am still looking.
     
  9. suncoast

    suncoast member

    I am looking for a well respected or AACSB DL MBA. I have limit of $15~20K to spend as it comes out of my pocket. AACSB candidate is also ok for me. I was looking at CSUDH DL MBA .. but did not get any replies from anybody here about the school and the program. I am still looking.
     
  10. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member


    Colorado State is AACSB and between that range.
     
  11. IPCguru

    IPCguru New Member

    University of Liverpool...

    I am currently studying at Kitcampus (Masters of Science) . I think the program is decent and I am actually learning a lot. I started a distance course with Brunel university before I started at University of Liverpool and I I find the Liverpool program much more focused. The degree is awarded by the university of Liverpool (no mention of KIT) therefore I don't think there should be acceptance problems. The degree is not comparable to an Oxford or Harvard degree but probably comparable to going to a state school in the US. I also got a scholarship and the total cost for the program is $12K. I don't think the lack of exams should be a problem as long as you find a reputable professor to write your thesis with.
     
  12. Professor Kennedy

    Professor Kennedy New Member

    Ong

    Assessing a dl MBA programme on the basis of the entirely different criteria of its last Research Assessment is a case of 'worth by association'.

    The research functions that are assesed are exactly that - the internal institutions grouped round research subjects, usually at the frontiers of knowledge, staffed by research professors and PhD graduates, funded by separate research grants following peer reviews, patents granted, refereed articles, papers at conferences of the best scientists in the subject, and honours and awards won from peers in the subject. A 5* rating in photonics, for example, is in no way conected with an MBA programme and to pass it off as being someway related would only fool a stranger to the world of British universities.

    Suncoast was told on the telephone by a course seller that "University of Liverpool was comparable to Harvard, Oxford, Upenn etc." but he/she sensibly asked, despite this exaggerated statement, "How is their MBA program? Is their degree respected here in USA?". Given that its research ratings have nothing to do with the content and delivery of their online MBA, I do not think you can safely transfer one rating to the other.

    Bo writes: "There are lot's of good schools out there that have an MBA program that dose not require final invigilated examinations."
    That is your opinion, again a proof by association. Relying on non-invigilated examinations is a route to losing what reputation a school has from the real risk of fraud. I have rehearsed these arguments elsewhere and will not repeat them here, though they are relevant to comparing the worth of the off campus Liverpool-Kit MBA with others. Anyway my statement was that uninvigilated exams "would be unlikely to find favour with either Oxford or Harvard." That is a testable fact.

    Bo also writes: There are "a lot better options out there for that kind of money. Did you look in to the DL MBA programs at other UK schools like U of London, U of Wales or Leicester?"
    University of Wales MBA was delivered with Manchester Business School and Leicester's (another non examination school) and neither MBA programmes, nor Liverpool's MBA, are comparable to Harvard of Oxford (and two of them were recently in question with the Israeli Higher Education Council). As for the University of London, to which of London's MBAs are you referring? They certainly do not match that of London Business School - though they are probably comparable with Royal Holloway's.

    My advice to Suncoast is to search closer to home if these are the best he/she you come up with.
     
  13. Professor Kennedy

    Professor Kennedy New Member

    Ong

    Assessing a dl MBA programme on the basis of the entirely different criteria of its last Research Assessment is a case of 'worth by association'.

    The research functions that are assesed are exactly that - the internal institutions grouped round research subjects, usually at the frontiers of knowledge, staffed by research professors and PhD graduates, funded by separate research grants following peer reviews, patents granted, refereed articles, papers at conferences of the best scientists in the subject, and honours and awards won from peers in the subject. A 5* rating in photonics, for example, is in no way conected with an MBA programme and to pass it off as being someway related would only fool a stranger to the world of British universities.

    Suncoast was told on the telephone by a course seller that "University of Liverpool was comparable to Harvard, Oxford, Upenn etc." but he/she sensibly asked, despite this exaggerated statement, "How is their MBA program? Is their degree respected here in USA?". Given that its research ratings have nothing to do with the content and delivery of their online MBA, I do not think you can safely transfer one rating to the other.

    Bo writes: "There are lot's of good schools out there that have an MBA program that dose not require final invigilated examinations."
    That is your opinion, again a proof by association. Relying on non-invigilated examinations is a route to losing what reputation a school has from the real risk of fraud. I have rehearsed these arguments elsewhere and will not repeat them here, though they are relevant to comparing the worth of the off campus Liverpool-Kit MBA with others. Anyway my statement was that uninvigilated exams "would be unlikely to find favour with either Oxford or Harvard." That is a testable fact.

    Bo also writes: There are "a lot better options out there for that kind of money. Did you look in to the DL MBA programs at other UK schools like U of London, U of Wales or Leicester?"
    University of Wales MBA was delivered with Manchester Business School and Leicester's (another non examination school) and neither MBA programmes, nor Liverpool's MBA, are comparable to Harvard of Oxford (and two of them were recently in question with the Israeli Higher Education Council). As for the University of London, to which of London's MBAs are you referring? They certainly do not match that of London Business School - though they are probably comparable with Royal Holloway's.

    My advice to Suncoast is to search closer to home if these are the best he/she you come up with.
     

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