APUS/AMU doctorate... is it ready to launch?

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Do you wanna see an AMU Doctor of Mil studies program?

Poll closed Sep 25, 2003.
  1. Yes, sign me up!

    3 vote(s)
    27.3%
  2. Maybe, but no real market for it

    3 vote(s)
    27.3%
  3. No, PHD is the way to go

    1 vote(s)
    9.1%
  4. No, too flaky

    4 vote(s)
    36.4%
  1. NNAD

    NNAD New Member

    whhile surfing the net, I found the memo from Virginia that recommends approval of a D.M.S degree from AMU. The document was dated Nov 2000. Here is an excerpt...

    "Eligibility for admission to the Doctor of Military Studies degree requires candidates to possess a master’s degree, have at least five years experience in a field directly related to military studies and successfully write a five to seven page essay. To complete the program, students must successfully complete all required coursework, show at least nine hours devoted to the dissertation, and complete two comprehensive examinations demonstrating intimate knowledge of the field being examined (a language requirement is optional and not a requirement for degree completion). Students who complete this program are prepared to work as teachers or executives in the military profession.
    The program is 48 total credits hours beyond the master’s degree. University policy allows students a time limit of ten years for degree completion. The basic program structure is designed to require pre-requisites (research methods, statistics, and quantitative methods); mandatory requirements (Seminary in Military History I & II, Seminar in Defense/Resource Management and Technology I & II, Seminary in Military Philosophy, Strategy, and Tactics, Seminary in Geopolitics, Diplomacy, and International Relations, and Seminar in the Philosophy of Knowledge and the Construction of Meaning); and, elective requirements (Seminary in Elective Area I & II). Doctoral students are required to have a minimum of four contacts with each instructor per semester. The contacts are generally by telephone and via the Internet with a minimum duration of 20 minutes each. While this minimum amount of contact has been set, the university believes that due to the workload in the doctoral program, increased contact with the professors will result. The professors will also be expected to structure a high level of student-student and group-oriented activities via the AMU electronic campus facilities. All AMU instructional faculties are under contract to be available throughout the semester in which they teach; they are
    required to have posted “office hours’ for their students’ convenience."

    I think this would get them some business, as it is seems like a real innovative DL doctorate that lets the learner explore liberal art electives, as AMU has a very extensive catalog of graduate courses. I would love to see it the same week RA approval comes through... I was considering an AMU MA to go with my resume when my M Ed. is done. I should wait...
     
  2. Charles

    Charles New Member

  3. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    Two problems:

    AMU is now in West Virginia.
    DETC does not permit any doctorates other than the first professional kind.

    I am sure the main reason for applying for regional accreditation is to offer doctorates.
     
  4. Charles

    Charles New Member

    Originally posted byDennis Ruhl

    Two problems:

    AMU is now in West Virginia. DETC does not permit any doctorates other than the first professional kind.


    I refer to the thread I referred to in my previous post.

    I am sure the main reason for applying for regional accreditation is to offer doctorates.

    I don't think so. AMU/APUS has been working on regional accreditation for a very long time. Regional accreditation will enable AMU/APUS participate in programs such as Navy College partner schools and fully participate as a Serviceman's Opportunity College. AMU/APUS will become far more competitive with schools like UMUC and UOP, which will have an effect on the bottom line.

    I'm guessing doctoral programs, even if wildly popular, will not have a major impact on the university's bottom line.
     
  5. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    I hope they can do it.
     
  6. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    Charles

    I wasn't replying to your post. I never saw it until after I posted.
     
  7. airtorn

    airtorn Moderator

    RA statue

    Just going through some old threads and this one had me thinking about AMU's application for RA status. I know that its visit was in October. When do we find out how that went?
     
  8. Charles

    Charles New Member

  9. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Well, they're a jewel in the crown of DETC, and I hope they get RA ASAP. A careful look at the courses offered by AMU shows real academic rigor and substantial breadth. Best of luck to them.
     
  10. NNAD

    NNAD New Member

    AMU is one of only a few schools that offer a wide variety of liberal arts degrees, most graduate DL offerings these days are of the business, management, or educational leadership variety. They offer more than 30 types of grad degree already, lets hope thid doesn't change with RA.
     
  11. oxpecker

    oxpecker New Member

    I haven't been following AMU's quest for regional accreditation very closely, but presumably what they are likely to achieve next year is candidacy, with actual accreditation anticipated some years in the future. Is this correct?
     
  12. Charles

    Charles New Member

    I don't have any insider info, but I believe APUS/AMU has hopes of achieving outcome #3.

    https://www.apus.edu/APUS/navigation/visitor_center/accreditation/regional.asp
     
  13. airtorn

    airtorn Moderator

    Well, that answered my question. Thanks for the link.

    D. Crosbie - How much trouble are you having finishing your M.Ed. with OU losing its contract to UOP?
     
  14. NNAD

    NNAD New Member

    Lots of trouble...

    I've one class to go after my comps in March. I'm almost done with my second to last class via DL independent study, and the university is reluctantly letting me finish with another DL indy class - PROVIDED that I convince one of thier professors (not the dept head) to teach me one-on-one via DL. That is proving hard, as the profs are hard to get a hold of and three so far have declined my proposal. I may have to transfer in another class, but that process is very difficult with them as well

    OU's Ed dept is very skeptical about DL and wants you to do things thier way, unfortunately they pulled out of the deal and I believe they still owe me some support because I played fair for 10 courses.

    I think this demonstrates the difference between the institutions we talk about in this forum and many traditional schools. A philosophy of customer support and appreciation, versus "you are honored to be within the hallowed halls of our institution" sort of attitude. I think NCU, AMU, Touro (and yes, Phoenix) and the other alternates see it this way: "we are honored to have you in our program."

    BUT... an OU degree should be a valuable bauble in a resume, perhaps better than an UoP degree.
     
  15. Tireman 44444

    Tireman 44444 Well-Known Member

    Remember this ditty....Long time ago....:)
     
  16. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    No, I don't. It was before my time.
     
  17. Tireman 44444

    Tireman 44444 Well-Known Member

    Ahh, well it is a good read...:)
     
  18. brow276

    brow276 Member

    I'm beginning to believe that APUS will establish their doctorate programs when the sun ceases to shine.
     
  19. Tireman 44444

    Tireman 44444 Well-Known Member

    Be patient. Be patient. It will come sooner than you think
     
  20. brow276

    brow276 Member

    Don't toy with my fragile heart!
     

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