I have 3 questions to ask . 1. are there any ways to transfer DETC/A undergraduate credits to RA college,university ? 2.Should I take GRE GENERAL,GRE SUBJECTS exams for Credits and how many available ?What GRE SUBJECT TEST do u recommand ? 3. Is there any dl college offer undergraduate certificate in Biology? your answers to these questions will be appreciated .
1) It's possible to do a portfolio assessment of your prior DETC learning to turn those credits into usable RA credits. Your best bet is to go through the portfolio assessment through Thomas Edison State College or Charter Oak State College. 2) No college credits are awarded for the GRE general exam. You can earn up to 30 credit hours for each GRE subject exam (depending on your score). As for which GRE to recommend, it would help if you would provide more information on your interests/goals. 3) For a biology major your best bet would be either Charter Oak State College, Thomas Edison State College, or Excelsior College. Cy
I second Cyrus on all points. I'd also add: (1) It's possible to get credit for some DETC courses based on ACE credit recommendations; I know Excelsior and TESC do this, but you'll probably need to contact the schools themselves for more details. (2) Speaking as someone who did his Excelsior BA concentrations based mainly on two GREs (and that was before Excelsior started using stricter GRE grading criteria), I can say they're nothing to sneeze at and that if you get your 30 credits, you'll have earned them. I recommend the Princeton Review's Cracking the... series. You may already know that there is a biology GRE; if memory serves, there's also a biochemistry GRE. Not sure if Excelsior/COSC accept both, or how much credit would overlap. Good luck! Cheers,
Cyrus Vanover wrote: > 1) It's possible to do a portfolio assessment of your prior > DETC learning to turn those credits into usable RA credits. Yes, it's possible; but that's a pretty expensive way to convert them. Some RA schools do accept DETC credits directly. You could start with this list: http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=36FE772C.85D50019%40usa.net and add Western Governors University. > Your best bet is to go through the portfolio assessment > through Thomas Edison State College or Charter Oak State > College. TESC does not award credit for GRE scores, but other schools like Excelsior accept TESC portfolio evaluations. > You can earn up to 30 credit hours for each GRE subject > exam (depending on your score). It really depends on the school: it varies from 18 credits for "non-quantitive" subjects at Charter Oak to (last I heard) 36 credits at Empire State College.
My research project with registrars suggests that roughly 20% of regionally accredited schools routinely accept DETC-accredited credits, and another 20% sometimes do. Might we worth shopping around.
I wrote: > Some RA schools do accept DETC credits directly. You could > start with this list: > http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=36FE772C.85D50019%40usa.net > and add Western Governors University. Plus this list posted by Jay2 at http://www.collegehints.com/boards/showthread.php?t=127: 1 - Walden University 2 - UOP / University of Phoenix 3 - Bellvue University, NE 4 - Northcentral University, AZ 5 - Baker College 6 - Capella University 7 - Indiana State University 8 - Kansas State University 9 - Jones International University 10 - Oral Roberts University
I believe so. kf5k on DegreeInfo and jay2 on CollegeHints have both signed posts "James". kf5k's last post to DegreeInfo was on August 30.
[/B][/QUOTE] 1 - Walden University 2 - UOP / University of Phoenix 3 - Bellvue University, NE 4 - Northcentral University, AZ 5 - Baker College 6 - Capella University 7 - Indiana State University 8 - Kansas State University 9 - Jones International University 10 - Oral Roberts University [/B][/QUOTE] In addition to: Western Governor's University (and soon AMU) Also add: Touro University International Argosy University Nova Southeastern University Strayer University Americam InterContinental University Neumann College Ottawa University And... If you have a DETC accredited Bachelor's degree, you can gain admissions in to the vast majority of ABA approved law schools. So, take the LSAT and go for it!
Where is that "vast majority" located at on a list of the 186 ABA law schools? Not the top! But you are correct. DETC will indeed suffice the accreditation standards for many ABA law schools. However, so will one day of CLEP testing. If utility (law school admissions) is what you're after - one day of CLEP testing is a lot cheaper, a lot faster, and will get you into almost as many of those DETC accepting law schools.
WRONG! With very few exceptions, Juris Doctor applicants must possess a Bachelor's degree (in any discipline) from a school with recognized accreditation. As far as top tier law schools go, you are wrong. Many top 100 law schools (formerly tiers 1 and 2) WILL accept DETC undergrad degrees; IF the applicants have median GPA and LSAT scores that are within the school's range. If you earned a B.S with a 3.5 uGPA from say CCHS, and then scored a 160 on the LSAT, you would be able to get in to many top 100 law schools. Villanova is just one of many examples. Ivy League law schools are even an option for DETC grads if their LSAT scores and uGPA are high enough. The same holds true for ACICS degrees. My friend earned an undergrad degree from the Art Institute of Philadelphia (approx 3.5 uGPA), and after a Kaplan course, he aced the LSAT. He is now attending one of the 15 best law schools in the nation. I earned a DETC Associate's degree, and later, an MBA. However, after transferring my first 60 DETC credits, I completed my B.S. (3.85 uGPA) at a small RA school ranked in the top-tier (Northern Comprehensive division). Unfortunately, my LSAT wasn't so great; partly because I didn't take a prep course. Mainly, though, I am just not a naturally gifted puzzle solver. And we all know that the LSAT puzzles are extremely important to the study and practice of law . So basically, the LSAT and GPA combined are what law schools consider. The source of recognized accreditation is not extremely important. For the most part, this is only true when the CLEP testing culminates in the conferral of a Bachelor's degree from an accredited school. However, graduates of the big three better score REALLY high on the LSAT. This is because in addition requiring GPAs with substantial numbers of convertible credit hours; almost every ABA approved law school prefers course work over test-outs. Students with many (45-60 or more) credit hours that are not convertible into a cumulative uGPA will likely encounter problems during the law school admissions process. This is especially true if they plan on attending a top 100 law school. Therefore, as far as law school is concerned, I feel that DETC course work based degrees serve law school applicants much better than test-out/life experience degrees. Either way, though, students with DETC and test-out educations need higher LSAT scores in order to stay competitive. This is especially true regarding test-out/life experience degrees because in reality, CLEP tests do not properly prepare students for law school, and the law schools know it. So, at least in the law school admission process, test-out/life experience schools with RA status are not the elite gold standard. In fact, to the best of my knowledge, COSC has not yet registered a school code with the Law School Admissions Council (LSAC). On the other hand, ICS Center for Degree Studies (now Education Direct) has had a LSAC code of 7025 registered for many years. It appears that many ICS Center for Degree Studies grads have gone on to complete college and make it into ABA law schools. In any event, best of luck to you in whatever educational avenue you decide to pursue. J, MBA
Re: WRONG! After my quick google search I would say many schools will accept anywhere from 3-5 general CLEP exams (no letter grades) instead of a BA/BS. Is this the best idea? Of course not! But I do have a friend at law school now who sat 3 CLEP exams, wrote a great essay, and got accepted (not tier 1). I suppose we define "top law schools" according to different standards. I do not define "top law schools" as top 60% of all law schools - as you just did! "Top law schools," in my opinion, are top 10% or top 20. If you graduate in the 40 percentile of your class, do you say that you graduated in the "top of your class." Nice spin, but I'm still right! I agree. Can you verify this? I could be wrong (its happend before), but I doubt you can verify this claim. I have looked for support of this position, but I have found none. Just as they would if they were trying to gain entry into the majority of graduate programs. Nothing special about law school here. Can you verify this? I suspect, with all due respect, that your reasoning is based on inconclusive evidence, ie. conjecture. In addition, a CLEP test is not designed to prepare you for anything. Can you name any test that "prepares" anyone for anything? A CLEP test, like all other tests, is designed to test - not prepare. You are confusing "learning" and "testing." A simple issue of category confusion. *note: I am often misunderstood as being condescending when I point things like this out. I don't intend to be. I smell a straw man entering in here! Did anyone ever assert this? No sir! Not only that, but we also have a hint of petitio principii. I would agree completely. And a BIG congrats to all of them!
Re: Re: WRONG! The KC Chiefs game starts in 10 mins, so I only have time to address this issue. Basically, I don't like any of the law school rankings, but for the purpose of my discussion I used the U.S. News standards. Your definition of "top" law schools probably only includes the Ivy League schools and a few other elite law schools such as the University of Chicago. But you are still wrong! In my previous argument, I referenced a good friend of mine who graduated from a nationally accredited (ACICS) school, and was accepted into a "top" law school. He is now attendding an Ivy League law school. I should only be so fortunate! In any event, many on this site have argued that DETC accreditation has utility equal to or greater than ACICS accreditation. If that is the case, and I believe it is, DETC accreditation must be good enough for admissions into what you refer to as the "top" law schools. You see... even law schools positioned outside of the "top" tier can teach one how to deduce Pardon any spelling errors.. no time for spell check. My prediction: Chiefs win big over the Ravens and remain undefeated.
Re: CODE That's great, I am glad they registered one. Hopefully, ALL of the DL schools will follow suit and do the same. TESC, Excelsior, Capella, and quite a few other RA and DETC DL schools have yet to obtain one. In my opinion, the school codes make the LSAC transcripts look more credible. I think "Misc4yr2000" on a LSAC transcript looks bad.
Don't be silly! Yes, but only by coincidence. My definition of "top" means just that: TOP! Regardless of the rankings list chosen, you don't find that the top 20 schools of one list fall to the 80-100 of another list. None of this means that I believe the top 100 are bad schools or even average schools. However, you can not logically state that a school ranked (by all list), as 100/186 is a "top" law school without creating new standards for "top." Which correlates perfectly with my statement that "DETC [read national accreditation] will indeed suffice the accreditation standards for many ABA law schools." Deduction does not necessitate a valid conclusion. Your emphatic "must" hinges on too many weak branches of arguementation. You friend is anecdotal evidence, which in and of itself, is not all that bad, but from that you can not expect others to reach your conclusion. Your conclusion is based on your deduction that your friend's ACICS accreditation caused his admission to a "top" law school. This is non causa pro causa. One example of many: If your friend were a URM, the standards would be lowered. (Nobody likes to see it written that way, but it's true) Of course the Chiefs will win! That's why I can't find anyone around here will take my bet. We are now officially off topic! If you can swing this conversation back to the original topic then I'll keep going, but I feel the presence of an Admin lurking over my shoulder!
Re: Don't be silly! That doesn't apply to my friend. He is just a middle class kid from the suburbs of Philadelphia. Personally, I can't believe that schools of higher learning actually give certain people admissions advantages based on non-academic factors. Doesn't that bother you? Well, people may take your bet now. The Chiefs only put up three in the first half.
