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    Online Doctor of Arts

    A state university near me is offering an online doctor of arts in English pedagogy. There is no dissertation required for this degree. Would this degree be worth considering or is a doctorate with a dissertation such as an EDD a better choice? I am interested in being a practitioner more so than a researcher.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TESOLer12 View Post
    A state university near me is offering an online doctor of arts in English pedagogy. There is no dissertation required for this degree. Would this degree be worth considering or is a doctorate with a dissertation such as an EDD a better choice? I am interested in being a practitioner more so than a researcher.
    Can you please provide a link to the degree program?

    Is a D.A. without a dissertation really a research doctorate? According to the U.S. DOE, the D.A. is classified as a research doctorate "with a dissertation." You can read more at this link:

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    I think. I think...the person is speaking of Murray State. This DA program is online.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tireman 44444 View Post
    I think. I think...the person is speaking of Murray State. This DA program is online.

    Doctor of Arts in English Pedagogy and Technology - Murray State University
    It looks like a souped-up Masters degree with extra curriculum-based coursework that is crowned with a capstone, but it lacks a dissertation, but it's still being called a D.A.

    Prediction: In 20 years, the PhD will be one of the few remaining doctorates that still requires the completion of a dissertation. It looks like dissertations are slowly being phased out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by me again View Post
    Is a D.A. without a dissertation really a research doctorate?
    A Doctor of Arts is a teaching doctorate.
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    Here's one in History (plus a bonus pdf)

    https://arts-sciences.und.edu/histor...l-programs.cfm

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    There are currently three DA programs in History . They are Clark Atlanta University, the University of North Dakota, and Saint John's University. Back in 1984, when I graduated college, there were six: Clark Atlanta University, Illinois State University, the University of Miami, Middle Tennessee State University, the University of Northern Colorado, and the University of North Dakota. And there's one online DA in History , Harrison Middleton University.
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    Doctor of Arts in English Pedagogy and Technology - Murray State University

    This is the link to the DA program. From what I have learned it was originally going to be offered as an EdD but due to some issues it ended up as a DA. My main concern is that it will make me overqualified for as a teacher . I am interested in going into teacher training or administration. I am not sure if the program would be appropriate for me. The degree would place me in the highest pay bracket in the public school system, but I'm not sure if that's enough justification to enroll. (I would be focused on the language concentration)

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    Quote Originally Posted by TESOLer12 View Post
    Doctor of Arts in English Pedagogy and Technology - Murray State University

    This is the link to the DA program. From what I have learned it was originally going to be offered as an EdD but due to some issues it ended up as a DA. My main concern is that it will make me overqualified for as a teacher. I am interested in going into teacher training or administration. I am not sure if the program would be appropriate for me. The degree would place me in the highest pay bracket in the public school system, but I'm not sure if that's enough justification to enroll. (I would be focused on the language concentration)
    As a current English instructor for a CC, I think this program looks attractive, and seems like it could very well further one's career. Of course, you have to get past all jokes on it being labeled "DA" -- err, what does that stand for again? At the very least, it doesn't have the same ring, or clout that PhD carries having been around for so long. Despite all this, I am glad to know this exists, as I continue to plan for my future.

    I think it has been mentioned before, but Old Dominion University offers a PhD in English that is almost exclusively online (summers require some on-campus time). That is another program that could fit the bill.
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    I looked into the Murray State program a little bit further, too. For what's it's worth, the tuition seems to be about $800 a credit hour, which brings the 48-hour program to just under $40k. A bit expensive for doctoral programs, no? At any rate, that was enough for me to pump the breaks and be a little less enthused. Others may disagree.
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    Unfortunately for me, as an in-state teacher this would be my only option. KY will not allow for its teachers to complete out of state programs while in residence and count them for advancement. I was told they did this to keep more money in the state. Most of the online doctorates here are all EdDs in educational leadership. I would be interested in curriculum and instruction or linguistics, but it's not available in my area.

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    TESOL and others, do we know anything more about this program at this point? Just curious.
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    They wanted to start an EdD but had to make it a DA because it's offered by the Snglish department. The degree is very versatile and suits the needs of a variety of practitioners (curriculum writers/ administrators). All the content is geared toward pedagogy. The costs are disappointing. There is no incentive for being in state since all online fees are the same. Murray is far from any large city so driving there would be difficult. I think the program wouldn't be ideal for anyone wanting to teach at a research school though.

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    They have a Spanglish department? Que progressive!
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