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    Im thinking of applying can you tell me about the foundations skill test as Im week in stats and advice or recommendations on how to prepare for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyt1961 View Post
    Im thinking of applying can you tell me about the foundations skill test as Im week in stats and advice or recommendations on how to prepare for it.
    The Facebook group has people who would have taken that test fairly recently: http://fb.com/groups/cumberlandsleadership
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    I am looking at several programs and the University of the Cumberlands is on my short list. Their Ed.D is in educational leadership, but it seems they call their Ph.D a Ph.D in leadership instead of educational leadership. Considering you complete all of the same requirements for the Ed.D in route to the Ph.D and are simply completing 6 additional credits (non academic statistics/research methods and non academic leadership theory/concepts) and a "more research oriented" dissertation, is it actually a Ph.D in educational eadership?

    Are they comparing their Ph.D program to a "pure" Ph.D in leadership (strategic, organizational)? Ultimately, is their Ph.D going to be looked at as educational leadership and more geared to education or leadership in the overall/general sense?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JBjunior View Post
    I am looking at several programs and the University of the Cumberlands is on my short list. Their Ed.D is in educational leadership, but it seems they call their Ph.D a Ph.D in leadership instead of educational leadership. Considering you complete all of the same requirements for the Ed.D in route to the Ph.D and are simply completing 6 additional credits (non academic statistics/research methods and non academic leadership theory/concepts) and a "more research oriented" dissertation, is it actually a Ph.D in educational eadership?

    Are they comparing their Ph.D program to a "pure" Ph.D in leadership (strategic, organizational)? Ultimately, is their Ph.D going to be looked at as educational leadership and more geared to education or leadership in the overall/general sense?

    I can understand your position and I had similar concerns before enrolling in the University of the Cumberlands. Early on I had some misgivings because it just seemed like the program had a K-12 feel to it. After I had a long discussion with Dr. Vann (Chair of Leadership Studies) I realized that the program is what you make of it. I chose a concentration in the area of business. Any additional electives that I've needed have come from the College of Business. I'm currently in the dissertation phase and I've chosen to focus on the area of organizational development.

    I've really enjoyed my time at UC and I think it is a fantastic program. I work in the chemical industry and my company is paying for my doctoral work. I had to go thru much scrutiny to prove the program rigorous and that earning such a credential would be an asset to my organization. My VP of HR signs off on the tuition reimbursement each semester. He has commented that my organization will be "very excited" to read the contents of my dissertation.

    Best of luck to you! Look forward to you becoming a Patriot with us at the University of the Cumberlands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SE Texas Prof View Post
    I can understand your position and I had similar concerns before enrolling in the University of the Cumberlands. Early on I had some misgivings because it just seemed like the program had a K-12 feel to it. After I had a long discussion with Dr. Vann (Chair of Leadership Studies) I realized that the program is what you make of it. I chose a concentration in the area of business. Any additional electives that I've needed have come from the College of Business. I'm currently in the dissertation phase and I've chosen to focus on the area of organizational development.

    I've really enjoyed my time at UC and I think it is a fantastic program. I work in the chemical industry and my company is paying for my doctoral work. I had to go thru much scrutiny to prove the program rigorous and that earning such a credential would be an asset to my organization. My VP of HR signs off on the tuition reimbursement each semester. He has commented that my organization will be "very excited" to read the contents of my dissertation.

    Best of luck to you! Look forward to you becoming a Patriot with us at the University of the Cumberlands.
    To be clear, you are talking about being able to choose the 18 hours of "specialty area content?" You are still completing the 27 educationally centered "core?" And of course the 15 hours of research and the 6 hours beyond for the Ph.D.

    I do like the option to choose the specialty, but I wonder if it is still viewed as an educationally centered Ph.D.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JBjunior View Post
    To be clear, you are talking about being able to choose the 18 hours of "specialty area content?" You are still completing the 27 educationally centered "core?" And of course the 15 hours of research and the 6 hours beyond for the Ph.D.

    I do like the option to choose the specialty, but I wonder if it is still viewed as an educationally centered Ph.D.

    You are correct. I was referring to the 18 hour specialty area content, but you'd still be responsible for taking the 27 hour Leadership Core, 15 hours in research and the additional 6 hours for the PhD. Each person enrolling in the program must determine for themselves why they are doing the doctoral work. They must also have a clear plan for how obtaining this degree fits into their overall career plan.

    I was once told that earning the doctorate is only part of the process. You'll still need to conduct research and be willing to contribute to the body of knowledge for your particular discipline. If that is not your goal....then you'd be advised to consider re-evaluating why you are attempting to earn this credential.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SE Texas Prof View Post
    You are correct. I was referring to the 18 hour specialty area content, but you'd still be responsible for taking the 27 hour Leadership Core, 15 hours in research and the additional 6 hours for the PhD. Each person enrolling in the program must determine for themselves why they are doing the doctoral work. They must also have a clear plan for how obtaining this degree fits into their overall career plan.

    I was once told that earning the doctorate is only part of the process. You'll still need to conduct research and be willing to contribute to the body of knowledge for your particular discipline. If that is not your goal....then you'd be advised to consider re-evaluating why you are attempting to earn this credential.
    My goal is a PhD in leadership (focused on organizational factors), not primarily educational leadership, which is the purpose of the questions. I am not sure how anything I asked about this program specifically led to you questioning my motivation to complete any program... but thank you for the information.
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    Hello, I am strongly considering UC's EdD program, and wanted to ask if anyone here had done the program with a History concentration. If so, what was your experience?

    Thanks!

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    Matt Brent just finished his with a concentration in History . I think he even did an independent study to have a history course in a topic of interest to him. Hopefully he'll pipe up here.
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    Thanks! Sounds like he is just who I should be talking with. Appreciate your help.

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