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Will universities hire professors with an Ed.D. instead of a Ph.D.?
Hello forum members, I wanted to tap into your expertise on this topic. I am currently pursuing my M.Ed. in Curriculum and Instruction from the American College of Education . My dream is to be a university professor someday. (I am aware that this is a tough field to get into...) Is it reasonably possible to get a university professor position with an Ed.D. instead of a Ph.D.? I am asking this because I would like to get my doctorate online, and the only affordable CHEA-recognized online education doctorates that I could find are the Ed.D. degrees from Aspen University, Liberty University Online (which actually does have residency requirements), and William Howard Taft University.
So... Long story short... Would universities hire an aspiring professor with an Ed.D. instead of a Ph.D.?
Thank you for your assistance,
Dave  |  |  |  | | Liberty University | Liberty University
Liberty offers online degrees in the following subject areas: a huge selection of programs in Religious Studies (Associate's, Bachelor's, and Master's), a Master's Degree in Human Services, Master of Science in Nursing, Business (Associate's, Bachelor's, and MBA), Education and Teaching (Bachelor's, Master's, and Doctorate), Liberal Arts (Associate's, Bachelor's, and Master's), and Counseling (Associate's, Bachelor's, and Master's).
Liberty has an outstanding reputation for the quality of its education and scholarship, though the strong Christian affiliation may be objectionable to some.
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The answer...it depends. You absolutely must have a regionally-accredited degree to teach in most institutions, however, so LU would be the only real option on that list.
That being said, if you want to be a university professor, I would recommend doing a program in residence. -
 Originally Posted by StefanM The answer...it depends. You absolutely must have a regionally-accredited degree to teach in most institutions, however, so LU would be the only real option on that list.
That being said, if you want to be a university professor, I would recommend doing a program in residence. I agree, if you want to be a full time professor, an online degree will certainly not help. I would look at something with a residency and is a B&M school such as Liberty or Nova, not UoP , Walden, or Capella . Like it or not, it will not be cheap. If you really want to be competitive, take a traditional route to a PhD/EdD  |  |  |  | | Argosy University | Argosy University
Argosy offers online Bachelor's, Master's and Doctorate in Business Administration, psychology, and HR-related degrees, with many specialty degrees, including organizational psychology, exercise psychology, HR, public administration, higher education administration, and many more.
Argosy also offers the same degrees and more from 19 locations across the U.S., and is a leader in the distance/online education field.
Argosy has one of the largest graduate student communities in the nation, and is regionally accredited, the most widely recognized accreditation. | |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Capella University | Capella University
Capella provides working adults the opportunity to earn online degrees in the fields of business management, health care, nursing, criminal justice, higher education, psychology, social work, human resources, information technology, mental health and counseling, K-12 education, public safety and public administration, and public service leadership.
The school is regionally accredited, the most widely recognized accreditation. [/center] | |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Liberty University | Liberty University
Liberty offers online degrees in the following subject areas: a huge selection of programs in Religious Studies (Associate's, Bachelor's, and Master's), a Master's Degree in Human Services, Master of Science in Nursing, Business (Associate's, Bachelor's, and MBA), Education and Teaching (Bachelor's, Master's, and Doctorate), Liberal Arts (Associate's, Bachelor's, and Master's), and Counseling (Associate's, Bachelor's, and Master's).
Liberty has an outstanding reputation for the quality of its education and scholarship, though the strong Christian affiliation may be objectionable to some.
The school is regionally accredited, the most widely recognized accreditation. | |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | University of Phoenix | University of Phoenix
UoP is probably the largest, most popular online school in the US. With the largest selection of degrees, you can easily find the specific program you are interested in. They offer Arts & Religion (Associate's and Bachelor's), Business and MBA (Associate's, Bachelor's, Master's), Computers and Information Technology (Associate's, Bachelor's, Master's), Education and Teaching (Associate's, Bachelor's, Master's, Doctoral), Health and Medicine/Nursing (Associate's, Bachelor's, Master's), Science and Technology (Bachelor's), and Social Sciences/Criminal Justice (Associate's, Bachelor's, Master's, Doctoral).
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Randell
PhD, Northcentral University
Graduate Certificate, University of Florida
MS, Touro University International [Branch Campus of Touro College]
BS, Charter Oak State College When a winner makes a mistake, he says, “I was wrong;” when a loser makes a mistake, he says, "It wasn’t my fault.” -
Find a subject area, or a manageable set, you could live in for years.
Live in it and become a good scholar in it. Research, publish, be active in associations and committees and stuff. If there's an applied profession in the field associated with the subject area, something your graduates might go on to do - teaching kids, or adult continuing education , working in a business, volunteering in an agency, etc. - try doing some of that.
Do focus on both becoming good in your subject and qualifying as and becoming good as a university-level teacher . But weigh the first at least a little bit more.
What do you see yourself teaching ?  |  |  |  | | Education Degrees | Education Degrees
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Wow, thank you for the prompt replies... I would like to teach teaching methods. I would like to help teachers become better at writing, planning, and delivering instruction. I could teach equally well online or in person.
I guess I've just been spoiled by the affordability and convenience of the online master's degree program I'm currently taking. For me, moving to another state isn't really an option. It sounds like Liberty University might be my best bet for the doctorate.....  |  |  |  | | Liberty University | Liberty University
Liberty offers online degrees in the following subject areas: a huge selection of programs in Religious Studies (Associate's, Bachelor's, and Master's), a Master's Degree in Human Services, Master of Science in Nursing, Business (Associate's, Bachelor's, and MBA), Education and Teaching (Bachelor's, Master's, and Doctorate), Liberal Arts (Associate's, Bachelor's, and Master's), and Counseling (Associate's, Bachelor's, and Master's).
Liberty has an outstanding reputation for the quality of its education and scholarship, though the strong Christian affiliation may be objectionable to some.
The school is regionally accredited, the most widely recognized accreditation. | |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Education Degrees | Education Degrees
Teachers play an important role in fostering the intellectual and social development of children during their formative years. The education that students acquire is key to determining the future of those students. Whether in elementary or high schools or in private or public schools, teachers provide the tools and the environment for their students to develop into responsible adults.
Teachers act as facilitators or coaches, using classroom presentations or individual instruction to help students learn and apply concepts in subjects such as science, mathematics, and English. They plan, evaluate, and assign lessons; prepare, administer, and grade tests; listen to oral presentations; and maintain classroom discipline. Teachers observe and evaluate a student's performance and potential. They are increasingly asked to use new assessment methods
•Public school teachers must be licensed, which typically requires a bachelor's degree and the completion of an approved teacher education program; private school teachers do not have to be licensed but may still need a bachelor's degree.
•Job prospects are best for teachers in high-demand fields, such as mathematics, science, and bilingual education, and in less desirable urban or rural school districts.
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 Originally Posted by Randell1234 I agree, if you want to be a full time professor, an online degree will certainly not help. As a general rule. If that degree would be the main thing that would qualify you for the position in the first place. If you were, say, an advanced practice nurse with an MSN looking to teach nursing , an early-retired executive looking to teach management, an adjunct already in at a school with an inside track to a full-time job, etc., there are plausible situations any baseline-credible doctorate, RA, GAAP, in many cases NA - would certainly help. It wouldn't itself make you, and if you didn't have that other strong claim in your subject, it wouldn't have gotten you there.  |  |  |  | | Nursing Degrees | Nursing Degrees
Registered nurses (RNs), regardless of specialty or work setting, treat patients, educate patients and the public about various medical conditions, and provide advice and emotional support to patients' family members. RNs record patients' medical histories and symptoms, help perform diagnostic tests and analyze results, operate medical machinery, administer treatment and medications, and help with patient follow-up and rehabilitation.
•Registered nurses constitute the largest healthcare occupation, with 2.6 million jobs.
•The three typical educational paths to registered nursing are a bachelor's degree, an associate degree, and a diploma from an approved nursing program; advanced practice nurses — clinical nurse specialists, nurse anesthetists, nurse-midwives, and nurse practitioners — need a master’s degree. •Job opportunities are expected to be excellent, but may vary by employment and geographic setting; some employers report difficulty in attracting and retaining an adequate number of RNs. | |  |  |  |  | -
 Originally Posted by Jonathan Whatley As a general rule. If that degree would be the main thing that would qualify you for the position in the first place. If you were, say, an advanced practice nurse with an MSN looking to teach nursing, an early-retired executive looking to teach management, an adjunct already in at a school with an inside track to a full-time job, etc., there are plausible situations any baseline-credible doctorate, RA, GAAP, in many cases NA - would certainly help. It wouldn't itself make you, and if you didn't have that other strong claim in your subject, it wouldn't have gotten you there. My response if in the context of "not a retired exec or someone on the inside or in a high need area like nursing ".  |  |  |  | | Nursing Degrees | Nursing Degrees
Registered nurses (RNs), regardless of specialty or work setting, treat patients, educate patients and the public about various medical conditions, and provide advice and emotional support to patients' family members. RNs record patients' medical histories and symptoms, help perform diagnostic tests and analyze results, operate medical machinery, administer treatment and medications, and help with patient follow-up and rehabilitation.
•Registered nurses constitute the largest healthcare occupation, with 2.6 million jobs.
•The three typical educational paths to registered nursing are a bachelor's degree, an associate degree, and a diploma from an approved nursing program; advanced practice nurses — clinical nurse specialists, nurse anesthetists, nurse-midwives, and nurse practitioners — need a master’s degree. •Job opportunities are expected to be excellent, but may vary by employment and geographic setting; some employers report difficulty in attracting and retaining an adequate number of RNs. | |  |  |  |  | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Randell
PhD, Northcentral University
Graduate Certificate, University of Florida
MS, Touro University International [Branch Campus of Touro College]
BS, Charter Oak State College When a winner makes a mistake, he says, “I was wrong;” when a loser makes a mistake, he says, "It wasn’t my fault.” -
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Something else: In the traditional graduate school environment, if you were interested in postsecondary teaching , your faculty, especially your advisor (and especially at the doctoral level, but not exclusively), are supposed to take the lead in mentoring you, helping you step through research assistantships, teaching assistantships and possibly contract adjuncting, helping you find your footing within the academic community, etc.
You can't entirely generalize about short-residency or online graduate degrees. Some, like the old-school Union Institute & University Ph.D. program, or South African, British, Australian or other international research doctorates, are all about the mentorship, and though the natural opportunities to work as a TA and stuff on the same campus may not be there, a motivated student and advisor can build those in. Some nontraditional graduate programs have strong, active, continuous enough graduate faculties unimpeachable in their fields, even at the top of their fields, (though the fields may be niches, like Embry-Riddle in aviation , Bellevue in Human Capital Management , or Saybrook in humanistic psychology ). And there's the potential to do quite a bit with that.
Other nontraditional graduate schools seem to have relatively transient faculties, logging in and doing what's needed to teach each individual online course and see each individual student through their thesis or dissertation supervision, and I'm sure for the most part they take it seriously and keep up in their fields, and they're probably much more likely to be a working field-level practitioner by day or a retired practitioner and they could add a lot from that, etc. But for some of the more latent functions of graduate school, this class of online university may barely even seem to be trying.
And maybe, for most of their students or graduates, that's okay. But most aren't going to be in the mix for full-time academic positions, where that doctoral degree is their main qualifying thing.
Conventional wisdom among the sort of people who hang out in places like degreeinfo would tend to put most of the for-profit schools teaching at the doctoral level, like Phoenix, Capella , Northcentral, Walden, and Jones International , and many or most of the DETC or ACICS schools with doctoral programs, in this category. I've always had a relative soft spot for Walden, but it's for doing things here and there that it really shouldn't surprise me a doctoral university is doing, like publishing this journal.  |  |  |  | | Capella University | Capella University
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The school is regionally accredited, the most widely recognized accreditation. [/center] | |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Bellevue University | Bellevue University
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Lewis offers the following online degrees: Bachelor’s Degree in Fire Service Administration; Certificates in Nursing Administration and Nursing Education; Master’s Degree in Organizational Leadership (Higher Education, Management, Not-For-Profit, Public Administration, and Training), Information Security (Managerial and Technical); and MSN in Nursing Administration and Nursing Education.
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Teachers play an important role in fostering the intellectual and social development of children during their formative years. The education that students acquire is key to determining the future of those students. Whether in elementary or high schools or in private or public schools, teachers provide the tools and the environment for their students to develop into responsible adults.
Teachers act as facilitators or coaches, using classroom presentations or individual instruction to help students learn and apply concepts in subjects such as science, mathematics, and English. They plan, evaluate, and assign lessons; prepare, administer, and grade tests; listen to oral presentations; and maintain classroom discipline. Teachers observe and evaluate a student's performance and potential. They are increasingly asked to use new assessment methods
•Public school teachers must be licensed, which typically requires a bachelor's degree and the completion of an approved teacher education program; private school teachers do not have to be licensed but may still need a bachelor's degree.
•Job prospects are best for teachers in high-demand fields, such as mathematics, science, and bilingual education, and in less desirable urban or rural school districts.
•Teachers must have the ability to communicate, inspire trust and confidence, and motivate students, as well as understand students' educational and emotional needs. | |  |  |  |  | -
29dave
What job do you have now? BA, Southwestern College, KS
MS, Emporia State University
MASL, Baker University
MAR, Liberty University
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I'm a school teacher ..... I teach kids now, and it's great, but eventually I would like to teach teaching methods courses. I am fascinated with all aspects of teaching , from lesson planning to classroom management. I have no desire to be a school administrator.  |  |  |  | | Education Degrees | Education Degrees
Teachers play an important role in fostering the intellectual and social development of children during their formative years. The education that students acquire is key to determining the future of those students. Whether in elementary or high schools or in private or public schools, teachers provide the tools and the environment for their students to develop into responsible adults.
Teachers act as facilitators or coaches, using classroom presentations or individual instruction to help students learn and apply concepts in subjects such as science, mathematics, and English. They plan, evaluate, and assign lessons; prepare, administer, and grade tests; listen to oral presentations; and maintain classroom discipline. Teachers observe and evaluate a student's performance and potential. They are increasingly asked to use new assessment methods
•Public school teachers must be licensed, which typically requires a bachelor's degree and the completion of an approved teacher education program; private school teachers do not have to be licensed but may still need a bachelor's degree.
•Job prospects are best for teachers in high-demand fields, such as mathematics, science, and bilingual education, and in less desirable urban or rural school districts.
•Teachers must have the ability to communicate, inspire trust and confidence, and motivate students, as well as understand students' educational and emotional needs. | |  |  |  |  | -
 Originally Posted by StefanM The answer...it depends. I'm going to disagree (slightly) with this this answer. The answer, really, is "yes." Universities would, in fact, hire an EdD over a PhD. The proof of this is found on the faculty pages of every university website on the planet. There you will find example after example of faculty members with EdD degrees. During their interview processes they were undoubtedly up againist other academics with PhDs and they (the EdD candidate) obviously won that battle.
What caused them to win? Was it their personality, that winning smile? Was it their research interests? Their dissertation advisors reputation in the field? Who knows? Empoyers hire people, not the letters that follow their names.  |  |  |  | | Argosy University | Argosy University
Argosy offers online Bachelor's, Master's and Doctorate in Business Administration, psychology, and HR-related degrees, with many specialty degrees, including organizational psychology, exercise psychology, HR, public administration, higher education administration, and many more.
Argosy also offers the same degrees and more from 19 locations across the U.S., and is a leader in the distance/online education field.
Argosy has one of the largest graduate student communities in the nation, and is regionally accredited, the most widely recognized accreditation. | |  |  |  |  | Wentworth Institute of Technology
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It seems like there is a mix of PhDs and EdDs, with PhDs having the majority. Examples: Faculty and Staff Doctoral Program Faculty Faculty College of Education -
In general, that has been what I noticed too. There would seem to be at least a few explanations for that, not just that schools prefer PhDs over EdDs. Wentworth Institute of Technology
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Stating the obvious here: in the field of education , sure, an Ed.D. will count a lot.
It won't be the same thing in other faculty departments. -
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 Originally Posted by Sea~~Monster~~ Stating the obvious here: in the field of education , sure, an Ed.D. will count a lot.
It won't be the same thing in other faculty departments. Not necessarily.....one of my psychology professors at MSPP has an Ed.D. from Columbia University Teacher 's College, because that's where Columbia houses their clinical psychology department. No idea why.  |  |  |  | | Capella University | Capella University
Capella provides working adults the opportunity to earn online degrees in the fields of business management, health care, nursing, criminal justice, higher education, psychology, social work, human resources, information technology, mental health and counseling, K-12 education, public safety and public administration, and public service leadership.
The school is regionally accredited, the most widely recognized accreditation. [/center] | |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Psychology Degrees | Psychology Degrees
Psychologists study mental processes and human behavior by observing, interpreting, and recording how people and animals relate to one another and the environment. To do this, psychologists often look for patterns that will help them understand and predict behavior using scientific methods, principles, or procedures to test their ideas. Through such research studies, psychologists have learned much that can help increase understanding between individuals, groups, organizations, institutions, nations, and cultures. •Job opportunities are naturally best for individuals with higher degrees. Individuals with a doctoral degree are highly sought after, especially ones who holds degrees in a particularly in-demand subfield, such as health; those with a master’s degree will have good prospects in the corporate environment; bachelor’s degree holders will have limited prospects due to steep competition. •Employment growth will vary by specialty; for example, clinical, counseling, and school psychologists will have 11% growth; industrial-organizational psychologists will have 26% growth; and 14% growth is expected for all other fields of psychology. | |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Education Degrees | Education Degrees
Teachers play an important role in fostering the intellectual and social development of children during their formative years. The education that students acquire is key to determining the future of those students. Whether in elementary or high schools or in private or public schools, teachers provide the tools and the environment for their students to develop into responsible adults.
Teachers act as facilitators or coaches, using classroom presentations or individual instruction to help students learn and apply concepts in subjects such as science, mathematics, and English. They plan, evaluate, and assign lessons; prepare, administer, and grade tests; listen to oral presentations; and maintain classroom discipline. Teachers observe and evaluate a student's performance and potential. They are increasingly asked to use new assessment methods
•Public school teachers must be licensed, which typically requires a bachelor's degree and the completion of an approved teacher education program; private school teachers do not have to be licensed but may still need a bachelor's degree.
•Job prospects are best for teachers in high-demand fields, such as mathematics, science, and bilingual education, and in less desirable urban or rural school districts.
•Teachers must have the ability to communicate, inspire trust and confidence, and motivate students, as well as understand students' educational and emotional needs. | |  |  |  |  | -
 Originally Posted by Bruce Not necessarily.....one of my psychology professors at MSPP has an Ed.D. from Columbia University Teacher's College, because that's where Columbia houses their clinical psychology department. No idea why. A lot of counselor supervision doctorates are EdDs as well.
But the general point stands. An EdD in the field of instruction will do much more than an EdD trying to get a position in an outside field.  |  |  |  | | Argosy University | Argosy University
Argosy offers online Bachelor's, Master's and Doctorate in Business Administration, psychology, and HR-related degrees, with many specialty degrees, including organizational psychology, exercise psychology, HR, public administration, higher education administration, and many more.
Argosy also offers the same degrees and more from 19 locations across the U.S., and is a leader in the distance/online education field.
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