Thread: Will universities hire professors with an Ed.D. instead of a Ph.D.?

One item that tends to be missed is discussions like this is that the Ed.D. degree is offered in a number of fields, such as educational psychology , counseling and guidance, instructional technology , sports management , human development , quantitative policy analysis (yes, that one's at Harvard). Even Arthur Levine's recommendation that the Ed.D. be abolished (Levine is the former President of Teachers College, Columbia University) was really an indictment of programs that prepare K-12 administrators than a critique of the doctor of education degree. Nowhere in his report does he acknowledge that the Ed.D. is awarded in anything other than educational administration.

Others, like Osguthorpe, who ran the largest study comparing the Ed.D. to the Ph.D. in education , have stated that the two degrees are so alike in their requirements and outcomes that either they should be made more distinct from each other (i.e. the Ed.D. becoming a true professional degree, rather than a research degree) or one (likely the Ed.D.) should be eliminated altogether. I believe that the same argument could be made for the D.B.A. versus the Ph.D. in business.

	American InterContinental University Online American InterContinental University AIU offers Associate's, Bachelor's, and Master's degrees in all the following programs: business administration (MBA, marketing, finance, accounting, human resources, etc), criminal justice, computer science, information technology, healthcare administration, medical billing and coding, fine arts, and education. Special learning facilities include a learning resource center, art gallery, and computer labs. The school is regionally accredited, the most widely recognized accreditation. Click Here to receive FREE information on this school.

	Argosy University Argosy University Argosy offers online Bachelor's, Master's and Doctorate in Business Administration, psychology, and HR-related degrees, with many specialty degrees, including organizational psychology, exercise psychology, HR, public administration, higher education administration, and many more. Argosy also offers the same degrees and more from 19 locations across the U.S., and is a leader in the distance/online education field. Argosy has one of the largest graduate student communities in the nation, and is regionally accredited, the most widely recognized accreditation. Click Here to receive FREE information on this school.

	Capella University Capella University Capella provides working adults the opportunity to earn online degrees in the fields of business management, health care, nursing, criminal justice, higher education, psychology, social work, human resources, information technology, mental health and counseling, K-12 education, public safety and public administration, and public service leadership. The school is regionally accredited, the most widely recognized accreditation. Click Here to receive FREE information on this school. [/center]

	George Washington University George Washington University GWU offers an online Bachelor’s Degree in Police Science; and Master’s Degrees in Education and Human Development, Paralegal Studies, Public Relations, Educational Technology Lead, MBA – Healthcare, and MPS in Security and Safety Leadership. GW University is a prestigious and well regarded school. Established in the heart of the nation's capital in 1821, GW provides innovative programs in more than 200 fields of study, including graduate certificate, master's and doctoral programs. Under the guidance of a world-renowned faculty, you will explore both theory and practice in courses that prepare you to meet the needs of an increasingly complex society. Click Here to receive FREE information on this school.

	Salem University Online Salem University Online Salem offers an online Associate’s Degree in Business Administration; Bachelor’s Degrees in Business Administration (International, Sports Mgmt, General Business, Accounting, and Management), as well as Business Information Technology; an MBA Degree; and an RN to BSN – Degree Completion. The school is regionally accredited, the most widely recognized accreditation. Click Here to receive FREE information on this school.

	Education Degrees Education Degrees Teachers play an important role in fostering the intellectual and social development of children during their formative years. The education that students acquire is key to determining the future of those students. Whether in elementary or high schools or in private or public schools, teachers provide the tools and the environment for their students to develop into responsible adults. Teachers act as facilitators or coaches, using classroom presentations or individual instruction to help students learn and apply concepts in subjects such as science, mathematics, and English. They plan, evaluate, and assign lessons; prepare, administer, and grade tests; listen to oral presentations; and maintain classroom discipline. Teachers observe and evaluate a student's performance and potential. They are increasingly asked to use new assessment methods •Public school teachers must be licensed, which typically requires a bachelor's degree and the completion of an approved teacher education program; private school teachers do not have to be licensed but may still need a bachelor's degree. •Job prospects are best for teachers in high-demand fields, such as mathematics, science, and bilingual education, and in less desirable urban or rural school districts. •Teachers must have the ability to communicate, inspire trust and confidence, and motivate students, as well as understand students' educational and emotional needs. Click Here to find FREE information on schools offering this course of study.

	Counseling Degrees Counseling Degrees Counselors work in diverse community settings designed to provide a variety of counseling, rehabilitation, and support services. Their duties vary greatly, depending on their specialty, which is determined by the setting in which they work and the population they serve. Although the specific setting may have an implied scope of practice, counselors frequently are challenged with children, adolescents, adults, or families that have multiple issues, such as mental health disorders and addiction, disability and employment needs, school problems or career counseling needs, and trauma. Counselors must recognize these issues in order to provide their clients with appropriate counseling and support. •People interested in counseling should have a strong desire to help others and should be able to inspire respect, trust, and confidence. •Education and training requirements vary by State and specialty, but a master’s degree is required to become a licensed counselor. •Projected job growth varies by specialty, but job opportunities should be favorable as job openings are expected to exceed the number of graduates from counseling programs. Click Here to find FREE information on schools offering this course of study.

Tony, you mention that there are EdD programs in instructional technology . I wonder how many schools would be okay letting a holder of such a degree teach straight IT courses.

	American InterContinental University Online American InterContinental University AIU offers Associate's, Bachelor's, and Master's degrees in all the following programs: business administration (MBA, marketing, finance, accounting, human resources, etc), criminal justice, computer science, information technology, healthcare administration, medical billing and coding, fine arts, and education. Special learning facilities include a learning resource center, art gallery, and computer labs. The school is regionally accredited, the most widely recognized accreditation. Click Here to receive FREE information on this school.

	Argosy University Argosy University Argosy offers online Bachelor's, Master's and Doctorate in Business Administration, psychology, and HR-related degrees, with many specialty degrees, including organizational psychology, exercise psychology, HR, public administration, higher education administration, and many more. Argosy also offers the same degrees and more from 19 locations across the U.S., and is a leader in the distance/online education field. Argosy has one of the largest graduate student communities in the nation, and is regionally accredited, the most widely recognized accreditation. Click Here to receive FREE information on this school.

Originally Posted by SteveFoerster

Tony, you mention that there are EdD programs in instructional technology. I wonder how many schools would be okay letting a holder of such a degree teach straight IT courses.

If the person's masters degree was not related to information technology or computer science , then it would probably not be very likely that he or she would be called to teach courses in, say, network security. Multimedia programming or I.T. management, perhaps. Most instructional technology doctorates would focus upon instructional design , development, evaluation and, maybe mangagement, along with research methods. I know that I would not hire myself to teach straight info tech graduate courses :)

	American InterContinental University Online American InterContinental University AIU offers Associate's, Bachelor's, and Master's degrees in all the following programs: business administration (MBA, marketing, finance, accounting, human resources, etc), criminal justice, computer science, information technology, healthcare administration, medical billing and coding, fine arts, and education. Special learning facilities include a learning resource center, art gallery, and computer labs. The school is regionally accredited, the most widely recognized accreditation. Click Here to receive FREE information on this school.

	ITT Tech - Request Information ITT Technical Institute ITT Tech offers a variety of online and traditional degrees in Computer and Electronics Engineering Technology, Criminal Justice, Business Administration, Computer Drafting and Design, Computer Network Systems, Web Development, Multimedia, Software Applications and Programs, Technical Project Management, and Information Systems Security. ITT Tech is accredited by ACICS, a legitimate but lesser-known accreditor. Click Here to receive FREE information on this school.

	Post University Post University Post offers online Associate’s Degrees in Accounting, Marketing, Management, and Legal Studies; Bachelor’s Degrees in Accounting, Business Administration, Criminal Justice, Finance, Legal Studies, Management, Management for Registered Nurses, and Marketing; Master’s Degrees in Education - Instructional Design & Technology, Education - Teaching & Learning, and Human Services; and Certificate Programs in Accounting CPA Exam Preparation, Finance, Homeland Security, H.R. Management, Legal Nurse Consulting, and Paralegal/Legal Studies. The school is regionally accredited, the most widely recognized accreditation. Click Here to receive FREE information on this school.

	Strayer University Strayer offers online Associate in Arts Degrees in Accounting, Acquisition & Contract Mgmt, Business Administration, Criminal Justice, Economics, General Studies, Information Systems, and Marketing; Bachelor of Business Administration in Accounting, Acquisition & Contract Mgmt, Banking, Business Mgmt, E-Business, Economics, Finance, Hospitality & Tourism Mgmt, Human Resource Mgmt, International Business, Retail Management, and Marketing; Bachelor of Science Degrees in Information Systems, Criminal Justice and Legal Studies; Master of Business Administration (Accounting, Acquisition, Finance, Health Services Administration, Hospitality & Tourism Mgmt, Human Resource Mgmt, Information Systems Mgmt, International Business, Management, Marketing, Project Mgmt, Professional Studies, and Public Administration); Master’s Degrees in Accounting, Adult Education and Development, Educational Management, Human Resource and Organization Development, Human Resource Generalist, Health Services Administration, Information Systems, Public Administration, Public Accounting, and Technology in Education; Diploma Certificates in Accounting, Acquisition, Programming, Web Development, Internetworking Technology, Computer Security, Database Developer, Database Management, Security Administration, Networking, Homeland Security and Info Systems; Undergraduate Certificates in Acquisition & Contract Mgmt, Advanced Accounting, Business Management, E-Business, Introductory Accounting, Information Systems, and Small Business Mgmt & Entrepreneurship; and Executive Graduate Certificates in Accounting, Business Admin, and Information Systems. The school is regionally accredited, the most widely recognized accreditation. Click Here to receive FREE information on this school.

	AIU Online Aiken Technical College Online degree programs from AIU help you acquire industry-current credentials in your field of interest. Many of our online degree programs offer concentrations in some of today's most in-demand professional fields, empowering you to tailor your education to address your specific career goals. AIU offers degree programs in Business Administration, Education, Information Technology, Design, and Criminal Justice. AIU is regionally accredidated, the most widely accepted form of accredidation. Click Here to receive FREE information on this school.

	Concordia University - Portland Concordia University - Portland Located in Portland, Oregon, Concordia University is a private, Christian, liberal arts university. The school offers a variety of online degrees, including an MBA, Masters in Education with specialties in ESOL, Curriculum Instruction, Methods of Leadership, Science, Reading, and Special Education. The school is regonally accredited, the most widely recognized form of accreditation. Click Here to receive FREE information on this school. [/center]

Originally Posted by Anthony Pina

One item that tends to be missed is discussions like this is that the Ed.D. degree is offered in a number of fields, such as educational psychology , counseling and guidance, instructional technology , sports management , human development , quantitative policy analysis (yes, that one's at Harvard). Even Arthur Levine's recommendation that the Ed.D. be abolished (Levine is the former President of Teachers College, Columbia University) was really an indictment of programs that prepare K-12 administrators than a critique of the doctor of education degree. Nowhere in his report does he acknowledge that the Ed.D. is awarded in anything other than educational administration.

Others, like Osguthorpe, who ran the largest study comparing the Ed.D. to the Ph.D. in education, have stated that the two degrees are so alike in their requirements and outcomes that either they should be made more distinct from each other (i.e. the Ed.D. becoming a true professional degree, rather than a research degree) or one (likely the Ed.D.) should be eliminated altogether. I believe that the same argument could be made for the D.B.A. versus the Ph.D. in business.

Here's a good example of an EdD in the related field. Dr. Powell (colleague of mine) holds an EdD :

Dr. Danny Powell | Keith Busse School of Business & Entrepreneurial Leadership | University of Saint Francis, Fort Wayne, Indiana

	American InterContinental University Online American InterContinental University AIU offers Associate's, Bachelor's, and Master's degrees in all the following programs: business administration (MBA, marketing, finance, accounting, human resources, etc), criminal justice, computer science, information technology, healthcare administration, medical billing and coding, fine arts, and education. Special learning facilities include a learning resource center, art gallery, and computer labs. The school is regionally accredited, the most widely recognized accreditation. Click Here to receive FREE information on this school.

	Argosy University Argosy University Argosy offers online Bachelor's, Master's and Doctorate in Business Administration, psychology, and HR-related degrees, with many specialty degrees, including organizational psychology, exercise psychology, HR, public administration, higher education administration, and many more. Argosy also offers the same degrees and more from 19 locations across the U.S., and is a leader in the distance/online education field. Argosy has one of the largest graduate student communities in the nation, and is regionally accredited, the most widely recognized accreditation. Click Here to receive FREE information on this school.

	Capella University Capella University Capella provides working adults the opportunity to earn online degrees in the fields of business management, health care, nursing, criminal justice, higher education, psychology, social work, human resources, information technology, mental health and counseling, K-12 education, public safety and public administration, and public service leadership. The school is regionally accredited, the most widely recognized accreditation. Click Here to receive FREE information on this school. [/center]

	George Washington University George Washington University GWU offers an online Bachelor’s Degree in Police Science; and Master’s Degrees in Education and Human Development, Paralegal Studies, Public Relations, Educational Technology Lead, MBA – Healthcare, and MPS in Security and Safety Leadership. GW University is a prestigious and well regarded school. Established in the heart of the nation's capital in 1821, GW provides innovative programs in more than 200 fields of study, including graduate certificate, master's and doctoral programs. Under the guidance of a world-renowned faculty, you will explore both theory and practice in courses that prepare you to meet the needs of an increasingly complex society. Click Here to receive FREE information on this school.

	Salem University Online Salem University Online Salem offers an online Associate’s Degree in Business Administration; Bachelor’s Degrees in Business Administration (International, Sports Mgmt, General Business, Accounting, and Management), as well as Business Information Technology; an MBA Degree; and an RN to BSN – Degree Completion. The school is regionally accredited, the most widely recognized accreditation. Click Here to receive FREE information on this school.

	Education Degrees Education Degrees Teachers play an important role in fostering the intellectual and social development of children during their formative years. The education that students acquire is key to determining the future of those students. Whether in elementary or high schools or in private or public schools, teachers provide the tools and the environment for their students to develop into responsible adults. Teachers act as facilitators or coaches, using classroom presentations or individual instruction to help students learn and apply concepts in subjects such as science, mathematics, and English. They plan, evaluate, and assign lessons; prepare, administer, and grade tests; listen to oral presentations; and maintain classroom discipline. Teachers observe and evaluate a student's performance and potential. They are increasingly asked to use new assessment methods •Public school teachers must be licensed, which typically requires a bachelor's degree and the completion of an approved teacher education program; private school teachers do not have to be licensed but may still need a bachelor's degree. •Job prospects are best for teachers in high-demand fields, such as mathematics, science, and bilingual education, and in less desirable urban or rural school districts. •Teachers must have the ability to communicate, inspire trust and confidence, and motivate students, as well as understand students' educational and emotional needs. Click Here to find FREE information on schools offering this course of study.

	Counseling Degrees Counseling Degrees Counselors work in diverse community settings designed to provide a variety of counseling, rehabilitation, and support services. Their duties vary greatly, depending on their specialty, which is determined by the setting in which they work and the population they serve. Although the specific setting may have an implied scope of practice, counselors frequently are challenged with children, adolescents, adults, or families that have multiple issues, such as mental health disorders and addiction, disability and employment needs, school problems or career counseling needs, and trauma. Counselors must recognize these issues in order to provide their clients with appropriate counseling and support. •People interested in counseling should have a strong desire to help others and should be able to inspire respect, trust, and confidence. •Education and training requirements vary by State and specialty, but a master’s degree is required to become a licensed counselor. •Projected job growth varies by specialty, but job opportunities should be favorable as job openings are expected to exceed the number of graduates from counseling programs. Click Here to find FREE information on schools offering this course of study.

Originally Posted by Shawn Ambrose

Here's a good example of an EdD in the related field. Dr. Powell (colleague of mine) holds an EdD :

Dr. Danny Powell | Keith Busse School of Business & Entrepreneurial Leadership | University of Saint Francis, Fort Wayne, Indiana

In our DBA vs. PhD study, we are also looking at other terminal degrees held by business faculty (EdD , JD, DM/DMgt, DPA, other) and I am surprised at how many business faculty possess the EdD as the terminal degree.

	Argosy University Argosy University Argosy offers online Bachelor's, Master's and Doctorate in Business Administration, psychology, and HR-related degrees, with many specialty degrees, including organizational psychology, exercise psychology, HR, public administration, higher education administration, and many more. Argosy also offers the same degrees and more from 19 locations across the U.S., and is a leader in the distance/online education field. Argosy has one of the largest graduate student communities in the nation, and is regionally accredited, the most widely recognized accreditation. Click Here to receive FREE information on this school.

Originally Posted by Anthony Pina

In our DBA vs. PhD study, we are also looking at other terminal degrees held by business faculty (EdD, JD, DM/DMgt, DPA, other) and I am surprised at how many business faculty possess the EdD as the terminal degree.

One other colleague at my institution has an EdD , and he has joint appointments in the School of Business and the School of Arts and Sciences:

Joe Steensma | School of Arts and Sciences | University of Saint Francis, Fort Wayne, Indiana

Dr. Joe Steensma | Keith Busse School of Business & Entrepreneurial Leadership | University of Saint Francis, Fort Wayne, Indiana

I think it's safe to say, esp. at smaller schools (our student population is around 2K), is the type of terminal degree is not as important as the total "body of work."

Shawn

	Argosy University Argosy University Argosy offers online Bachelor's, Master's and Doctorate in Business Administration, psychology, and HR-related degrees, with many specialty degrees, including organizational psychology, exercise psychology, HR, public administration, higher education administration, and many more. Argosy also offers the same degrees and more from 19 locations across the U.S., and is a leader in the distance/online education field. Argosy has one of the largest graduate student communities in the nation, and is regionally accredited, the most widely recognized accreditation. Click Here to receive FREE information on this school.

Originally Posted by Shawn Ambrose

One other colleague at my institution has an EdD , and he has joint appointments in the School of Business and the School of Arts and Sciences:

Joe Steensma | School of Arts and Sciences | University of Saint Francis, Fort Wayne, Indiana

Dr. Joe Steensma | Keith Busse School of Business & Entrepreneurial Leadership | University of Saint Francis, Fort Wayne, Indiana

I think it's safe to say, esp. at smaller schools (our student population is around 2K), is the type of terminal degree is not as important as the total "body of work."

Shawn

I couldn't agree more. In my experience, the total body of work tends to trump all other considerations (where you received your degree, whether it is a Ph.D., Ed.D., D.B.A., etc.)

	Argosy University Argosy University Argosy offers online Bachelor's, Master's and Doctorate in Business Administration, psychology, and HR-related degrees, with many specialty degrees, including organizational psychology, exercise psychology, HR, public administration, higher education administration, and many more. Argosy also offers the same degrees and more from 19 locations across the U.S., and is a leader in the distance/online education field. Argosy has one of the largest graduate student communities in the nation, and is regionally accredited, the most widely recognized accreditation. Click Here to receive FREE information on this school.

My personal experience with my Ed.D. has been that I can get in to any instituion I have an interest in, however, the degree is not the deciding factor. A strong publication record, professional activiy record (associations, etc.), and professional recognition all contribute. My Ed.D. has never been a limiting factor (by the way I do not teach in education ...I have taught in rehabilitation counseling , general counseling and leadership). My Ed.D. has always opened doors.

	George Washington University George Washington University GWU offers an online Bachelor’s Degree in Police Science; and Master’s Degrees in Education and Human Development, Paralegal Studies, Public Relations, Educational Technology Lead, MBA – Healthcare, and MPS in Security and Safety Leadership. GW University is a prestigious and well regarded school. Established in the heart of the nation's capital in 1821, GW provides innovative programs in more than 200 fields of study, including graduate certificate, master's and doctoral programs. Under the guidance of a world-renowned faculty, you will explore both theory and practice in courses that prepare you to meet the needs of an increasingly complex society. Click Here to receive FREE information on this school.

	Counseling Degrees Counseling Degrees Counselors work in diverse community settings designed to provide a variety of counseling, rehabilitation, and support services. Their duties vary greatly, depending on their specialty, which is determined by the setting in which they work and the population they serve. Although the specific setting may have an implied scope of practice, counselors frequently are challenged with children, adolescents, adults, or families that have multiple issues, such as mental health disorders and addiction, disability and employment needs, school problems or career counseling needs, and trauma. Counselors must recognize these issues in order to provide their clients with appropriate counseling and support. •People interested in counseling should have a strong desire to help others and should be able to inspire respect, trust, and confidence. •Education and training requirements vary by State and specialty, but a master’s degree is required to become a licensed counselor. •Projected job growth varies by specialty, but job opportunities should be favorable as job openings are expected to exceed the number of graduates from counseling programs. Click Here to find FREE information on schools offering this course of study.

Originally Posted by obecve

My personal experience with my Ed.D. has been that I can get in to any instituion I have an interest in, however, the degree is not the deciding factor. A strong publication record, professional activiy record (associations, etc.), and professional recognition all contribute. My Ed.D. has never been a limiting factor (by the way I do not teach in education...I have taught in rehabilitation counseling, general counseling and leadership). My Ed.D. has always opened doors.

I'll be a second witness to you. My experience has been identical to yours, except that I my post Ed.D. teaching has been in instructional technology , human resource development (training design ), prior learning assessment and introduction to research.

	American InterContinental University Online American InterContinental University AIU offers Associate's, Bachelor's, and Master's degrees in all the following programs: business administration (MBA, marketing, finance, accounting, human resources, etc), criminal justice, computer science, information technology, healthcare administration, medical billing and coding, fine arts, and education. Special learning facilities include a learning resource center, art gallery, and computer labs. The school is regionally accredited, the most widely recognized accreditation. Click Here to receive FREE information on this school.

	AIU Online Aiken Technical College Online degree programs from AIU help you acquire industry-current credentials in your field of interest. Many of our online degree programs offer concentrations in some of today's most in-demand professional fields, empowering you to tailor your education to address your specific career goals. AIU offers degree programs in Business Administration, Education, Information Technology, Design, and Criminal Justice. AIU is regionally accredidated, the most widely accepted form of accredidation. Click Here to receive FREE information on this school.

	Education Degrees Education Degrees Teachers play an important role in fostering the intellectual and social development of children during their formative years. The education that students acquire is key to determining the future of those students. Whether in elementary or high schools or in private or public schools, teachers provide the tools and the environment for their students to develop into responsible adults. Teachers act as facilitators or coaches, using classroom presentations or individual instruction to help students learn and apply concepts in subjects such as science, mathematics, and English. They plan, evaluate, and assign lessons; prepare, administer, and grade tests; listen to oral presentations; and maintain classroom discipline. Teachers observe and evaluate a student's performance and potential. They are increasingly asked to use new assessment methods •Public school teachers must be licensed, which typically requires a bachelor's degree and the completion of an approved teacher education program; private school teachers do not have to be licensed but may still need a bachelor's degree. •Job prospects are best for teachers in high-demand fields, such as mathematics, science, and bilingual education, and in less desirable urban or rural school districts. •Teachers must have the ability to communicate, inspire trust and confidence, and motivate students, as well as understand students' educational and emotional needs. Click Here to find FREE information on schools offering this course of study.