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    cmjcolucci is offline Registered User
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    Ed.D vs DBA

    I want to teach online classes at the college level. I have an MBA and want to further my education . I can't choose between a DBA in management or Ed.D. in online learning. I'm thinking the DBA is better because most colleges want instructors to be to have more credits in the subject they teach. However, An Ed.D in online learning may stand out on a resume to be an online instructor. Any suggestions, or pros and cons of each program?

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    Ted Heiks is offline Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member
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    Go for the DBA.
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    I agree. Do the DBA. For an instructor, content knowledge is better than a degree in online learning.

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    I suggest the DBA but you can also consider a different topic to expand the teaching opportunities. If you already have an MBA in Management, why not a DBA in Finance or HR or something else.

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    Thanks for all your responses. Really appreciate it.

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    Definitely go for the DBA. For better or for worse, many departments look down on an instructor whose doctorate is in education , as opposed to the subject matter they teach (in your case, business).
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmjcolucci View Post
    An Ed.D in online learning may stand out on a resume to be an online instructor. Any suggestions, or pros and cons of each program?
    i don't want to disrespect people with EdDs but a doctorate in online learning has very limited use. Most online adjunct positions do not call for specialized training in online learning as this is something you can easily learn on your own but call for specialized training in a particular business field in demand.
    A DBA in Finance, Accounting , Operations , Marketing has a lot more utility than an EdD in online learning.
    If you really want to differentiate your self from the crowd, work on a particular business certification that has demand such as a CPA , CFE, CMA, CFA , etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFValve View Post
    i don't want to disrespect people with EdDs but a doctorate in online learning has very limited use.
    I'm in the midst of earning an EdD and I'll be the first to agree with you. If being competitive for adjunct gigs were my goal, this wouldn't have been the right program for it.

    Of course, if I change my mind, I suppose I can always take eighteen semester-hours of Accounting later. :-)
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    An EdD in Online Learning would be overkill for a prospective online adjunct.
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    The biggest value I could find for someone with an EdD in online learning would not be teaching . It would be administering/managing a school's online learning program, OR starting your own company that specializes in online learning (either consulting or offering a product).
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcjon77 View Post
    The biggest value I could find for someone with an EdD in online learning would not be teaching. It would be administering/managing a school's online learning program, OR starting your own company that specializes in online learning (either consulting or offering a product).
    Do you think that one could get a position as Director of Distance Learning fresh out of an EdD in Online Learning or would one likely expect to serve as Professor of Distance Learning before going up into the administration as Director of Distance Learning?
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    No disrespect but having a doctorate does not make you competitive for adjunct gigs. It opens a door to a conversation about potentially getting a gig, but you'll find that what makes you competitive is having publications beyond your dissertation, teaching experience and academic connections, not much unlike what makes you competitive for tenured gigs.

    I know people on 30+ publications with the right connections and a Masters that got snapped up with no teaching experience over people with doctorates and no teaching experience. Course now, they're really competitive for adjunct jobs and have no issues getting assignments with new schools.

    This said, I have a Masters and 20 years of professional experience and I'm sure that even with the doctorate, until I promote myself in the right circles and present a few times I'm not going to get a gig unless the school is absolutely desperate, and frankly accepting those types of jobs just lowers my own standing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Heiks View Post
    Do you think that one could get a position as Director of Distance Learning fresh out of an EdD in Online Learning or would one likely expect to serve as Professor of Distance Learning before going up into the administration as Director of Distance Learning?
    The route to those kind of administrative jobs does not run through the professoriate. I've never heard of a "professor of distance learning." Most of the time, such faculty would be in the school of education as professors of education or educational technology, depending on the angle (pedagogical or technical). An administrative role for this track would likely be Dean of the School of Education .

    Distance learning administrators are likely university staff members, not faculty.

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    Very true Stefan

    The administrators of distance education are necessarily the staff of the same university. They won't hire any faculty from outside, or anyone who prefers working as a freelancer. So a person applying for such administrative work need to qualify the university's requirement.
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    I am part of a research team that is studying the degrees held by business faculty at U.S. universities. While we are finding a surprising number of faculty with Ed.D.s, there are definitely far more with DBAs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Pina View Post
    I am part of a research team that is studying the degrees held by business faculty at U.S. universities. While we are finding a surprising number of faculty with Ed.D.s, there are definitely far more with DBAs.
    At my university - here's the breakdown...

    Dean - MBA
    Asst. Dean - Ph.D.

    Faculty

    CPA - 1
    JD/MBA - 1
    Ed.D - 2
    Ph.D. - 4
    Ph.D. Candidate - 1

    FYI - we consider the CPA and the JD/MBA terminal degrees. ACBSP is fine with this as well. Our school is an ABSCP candidate and our site visit was last month.

    That being said, I believe I would choose a DBA over an Ed.D.

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