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Discussion in 'IT and Computer-Related Degrees' started by DavidToppingUK, May 28, 2006.

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  1. DavidToppingUK

    DavidToppingUK New Member

    I have recently attained, through work-based experience:

    1) Membership of the British Computer Society (MBCS).

    2) Status of Chartered IT Professional from the BCS (CITP).

    3) Licentiateship of The City & Guilds of London Institute (LCGI).

    I don't have enough college qualifications to go for IEng or CEng and, to be honest, EngTech would be more 'my bag'.

    Questions from a newbie to this board:
    1) Is CITP recognised as high-level as IEng, CEng?

    2) Is CITP equivalent to any degree level?

    3) Is LCGI equivalent to any degree level?

    4) Can I used my CITP / LCGI chartered status' to apply for EngTech from the Engineering Council? The EC website remains vague to me.

    5) Will CITP/LCGI allow me to apply for an MSc place with the OU and bypass BSc requirements?

    Many thanks
     
  2. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    David hi,

    First let me congratulate you on your achievements, CITP is at the minimum Level 5 award and has academic equivalency in UK of Bachelors IT degree. LCGI is a national award on a level of 4
    so it has academic equivalency in UK of foundation degree.

    You may want to provide additional info about your plans because
    each country and university has their own policies.

    For example some EU countries Engineer as a title is not protected and license to practice is not required wile other countries it is protected and a license required.

    In UK Universities more open to professional qualifications and let
    students in to Graduate Masters degree programs based on such credentials.

    I also know one person who based on his CITP and additional
    paper earned GCGI an academic equivalent to Bachelors degree or what is in UK Honors degree.

    And by the way you will get Eng Tech 100 % so if apply.

    You are in good situation with very respected qualifications.

    Also a person I know with BA from CSU an A student
    wasn't accepted to CSU MA program.

    You will have to write and call - communicate with the institutions.
     
  3. lspahn

    lspahn New Member

    I find this very interesting, and would love to find a way to contract myself outside the US for high dollar positions (hey a guy can dream cant he??). Anyway, Could you guy elaborate alittle on these different certs in the UK and how do they relate to requirements for the EU???


    Thanks!!!!
     
  4. morleyl

    morleyl New Member

    The only ones that would help for EU in general is the Engineering Council titles. If you are just an IT person that the titles are more for helping you get the job not to practice.


    The UK as what is called a NQF, this matches qualifications with degrees at different levels. So for example the GCGI is same level as Honors Degree which is Level 5 on NQF.
     
  5. DavidToppingUK

    DavidToppingUK New Member

    NQF?
     
  6. DavidToppingUK

    DavidToppingUK New Member

    Thanks for the comments!

    Does this mean with the CITP/LCGI combo I can gain EngTech from the IEE or Engineering Council?

    My long term view is to complete some MSc , gain CEng and EurIng - I have no plans beyond that.

    Any pointers?

    Thanks
     
  7. morleyl

    morleyl New Member

    NQF = National Qualifications Framework.


    Here is the site

    http://www.qca.org.uk/493.html
     
  8. morleyl

    morleyl New Member

    Check with the BCS, if you have CITP, it maybe easier to get the IEng next. Once you get that, then get the GCGI automatically. the GCGI would be easy to get into a MS programme

    If you have good engineering type experience, you could get the IEng or CEng using the technical report route.. You write a detail report and attend an interview. That could help you.

    I think you need to have 15 years experience for the CEng or 10 for IEng.
     
  9. morleyl

    morleyl New Member

    This case tells me that the BCS is pushing their CITP over the Engineering Council titles.

    They should have advised on both in respect to available options. I am sure even the LCGI would count as an academic award in respect to points and reduce the size of the technical report.
     
  10. DavidToppingUK

    DavidToppingUK New Member

    Dear Lerner

    Further to your excellent help, I went back to the City and Guilds people.

    I've been reassisgned and upgraded from LCGI to MCGI.

    Should I be able to use MCGI to upgrade to EngTech with the IET/IEE?

    Regards
     
  11. morleyl

    morleyl New Member

    With MCGI, you should be at least be at IEng level. You can do this with the BCS as well.
     
  12. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    From Eng Tech

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    In my case, I am registered as an EngTech due to lack of a 'formal academic' degree,
    My qualifications include Vocational equivalents - I have two City & Guilds Graduateships (Aeronautical Engineering, and Leadership & Management) which according to C&G and the Qualifications & Curriculum Authority are equivalent to NVQ Level 5, and are actually above Honours on the National Qualifications Framework http://www.qca.org.uk/493_15772.html - as well as an academic Diploma in Computing.
    I make no claim that the academic content is equivalent to an engineering degree however, just to claim that some of us EngTechs are working at similar levels to our more formally qualified colleagues, and are entitled to MIET.
    Regards
    John Topham
     
  13. morleyl

    morleyl New Member

    If you don't meet the competency requirements for IEng or CEng then it does not matter if GCGI or MCGI or other degree.

    Maybe the experience is more technician type in nature. Is the City and Guilds qualification in Engineering? what branch?

    You can also do a thesis if you had real engineering responsible experience.
     
  14. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I sent your comments to John.

    The post was on behalf of John, I earned Systems Technologist 5 year B&M university degree in former Soviet union.

    Wile my market is US I also hold some UK qualifications and memberships. I'm one of these people who values IEEE membership in USA, been with IEEE since 84.

    I used to be a member in Institute of Engineers and Technicians UK this happened following completion of diploma in Electronics Engineering from UK, I did it wile serving in military.

    As I understand John has one of his GCGI in
    Aeronautical Engineering and actually his work is more Technology
    oriented than Engineer but I can see him qualify for IEng.

    But he is doing fine career wise so CEng or IEng would be plus but his GCGI is helping him get employed.

    Maybe in couple of years he will get his IEng or CEng.

    Learner
     
  15. morleyl

    morleyl New Member

    For IEng or CEng, your work has to be more of a design nature than just been technical.

    Meaning you could be a good administrator and manage an IT group which could earn the CITP. For the IEng and above, you would to show some technical decision following engineering principles etc.

    For the CEng, the focus is a lot on innovation, new ways to do things and again based on careful engineering evaluation
     
  16. DavidToppingUK

    DavidToppingUK New Member

    I don't do physical engineer. My experience and work consists primarily of the following, briefly:

    Internet, Communications, Anti-spam/fraud design, implementation and management.

    Business Management, day to day operational management and administration in an Internet and Communications company.

    Business Administration Management from co secretary style work to bad debt chasing and database design and build.

    All aspects of hosting management, including DNSBL, anti-spam management.

    I think EngTech is best for me, but which way to go from there?
     
  17. morleyl

    morleyl New Member

    From what I have read and seen not experience, it seem the IET would give good guidance on the best options for you. They are at www.theiet.org

    Did you get MCGI? Based on the competency requirements is very similar to the engineering titles. Of course it depends on what area you apply for.
     
  18. DavidToppingUK

    DavidToppingUK New Member

    I did get MCGI, yes. There's alot more stuff which I do which I can't go in to in too much detail.

    Regards
     
  19. morleyl

    morleyl New Member

    Talk to an advisor at IET, they may help with at least IEng. What area is your MCGI? just curious
     
  20. DavidToppingUK

    DavidToppingUK New Member

    I have not received the certificate yet, although I have been passed.

    When I get it, I'll let you know.

    The LCGI, which I was until being bestowed with MCGI, stated that it was:

    The Licentiateship (Master Craftsman) Award - Engineering:

    This Diploma certifies that the Council of the Institute has conferred Licentiateship of the City and Guilds of London Institute in recognition of achievement through education, training and employment.

    Regards
     

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