Alternative to KIT Campus Liverpool (MSc ) ?

Discussion in 'IT and Computer-Related Degrees' started by rsteenb24, Dec 30, 2003.

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  1. rsteenb24

    rsteenb24 New Member

    Hi,

    I've been searching for a good MSc course in IT for a while now.
    And decided this should not be limited to my location
    (Netherlands) and thus may include distance learning.

    I've been offered to start the programme at KIT (e-Learning
    partner of the University of Liverpool), and although the
    Programme Outline, Structure and Module Abstracts seem to fit
    my ambitions perfectly, I have heared some negative points
    about this education (a few on this forum by "Professor Kennedy")

    Therefor I'd like to ask if any of you know a DL MSc Programme
    similar to KIT, but of better quality?

    Many thanks,

    Rick
     
  2. etech

    etech New Member

    check bain4weeks Master degree section. I saw some MSc Computing programs listed there which are from UK University.
     
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  3. Professor Kennedy

    Professor Kennedy New Member

    I cannot comment on the value of the content of the eLearning MBA from Liverpool (a fine British University) as I am not familiar with it.

    I have commented negatively on its reported non-invigilated exams, which I do not trust as barriers against fraud. All off campus, out of sight 'examinations' expose distance learning to fraud (they do so also when used as continual assessment devices on campus courses but the risk is higher on a global scale).

    It is not a case that you will be tempted to cheat. It is the damage to your degree's reputation when somebody else cheats and is caught. Already several universities have had to withdraw their degrees when exposed to publicity about fraud.
     
  4. etech

    etech New Member

    I was considering Liverpool program a little while back and changed my mind due the reasons that Professor Kennedy and others raised. The other reason for not going with this degree was that it is very pricey and Kitcampus was eager to get me on the course.

    I agree with Progessor Kennedy (and we have seen a lot of discussions on this before) that this kind of assessment is not the best way and increases the chances of fraud. I would not like if someone else cheats and which can cause my obtained degree to be affected. I personally think a mix of assignments, participation and proctored exams are a better way to ensure the integrity of the program.
     
  5. Mox4Ed

    Mox4Ed New Member

    Professor Kennedy: I am considering the MSc. in IT program with Liverpool. As the admissions advisor explained it, there are no exams per se, but instead weekly assignments that test students' knowledge. This is similar to the Bachelor's in IT program I am now finishing with AIU-Online (OK, I can guess your opinion on the worth of this credential, but at age 40 w/ 3 young children, I was looking to complete my bachelor's on the fast track).

    I may be wrong about this, but it seems that a quality school with a reputation to uphold would look for the obvious signs of "cheating", i.e. language use/writing style inconsistencies in written assignments. As far as coding, most coders "steal" when they can anyway, but in the context of academia, it would be difficult to find professionals who have toiled to earn their own credentials who would freely do the work for someone; as far as "outsourcing" academic work, that's something I'm not familiar with, but it seems hard to believe a student would pay that kind of money in addition to their tuition!

    This is my first post with degreeinfo.com forums; I appreciate reading all your wonderful posts.
     
  6. Professor Kennedy

    Professor Kennedy New Member

    Mox4ed

    I am told on degreeinfo by epople who are authoritative that there is no ohter way to assess computer software courses than by projects, necessarily off campus and out of sight. I am prepared to accept their assurances and note alos your comments about code.

    One of my sons-in-law is a high level IT professional and he confirms that you cannot assess his subject with three hour final exams as you can many others. In this case some other form of exam security is required - you have suggested one incentive to find an appropriate solution in the reputation of the University.
    Liverpool University is one of our finest in the UK.

    Hence, I would not extend my repeated remarks about soft exam regimes (of which there are too many in subjects that can and should be tested by traditional, invigilated, exams) to a Masters in IT from Liverpool.

    IT lends itself to fraud two Universities in the UK had to withdraw their Bachellor IT degrees and replace them with a new set, presumably with a high level of enhanced security from fraud. I hope the message circulated to all Universities.

    Kind regards and good luck with your quest to enhance your human capital with degrees in IT.
     

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