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    DBA: California Southern University vs. University of the Cumberlands

    Would appreciate a pro/con breakdown of both schools for a DBA, especially from people who completed their degree programs at either school.

    If you'd like to share information via PM instead of public posting, please feel free to. Additionally, I am willing to do a paid email/PM consult with current and former students (or someone with a lot of program knowledge, like a current instructor at either school) to get more information. In my mind, as I am looking to spend a good amount of time and money on a DBA program, it's worth paying for a consultation to get a more "unadulterated" feel for either school :)

    If anyone has suggestions for other program options, I'd like to hear them. However, these two schools seem to tick the boxes for some of my main concerns, which are (1) regional accreditation, (2) low cost, and (3) quicker than average time to completion.

    Of the two, I am leaning towards California Southern as they seem to allow more transfer credit (30 vs. 15 hours of a 60 credit program) and I feel that the program overall would be quicker to complete.

    In any event, both programs seem to have minimal to zero prestige, but of the two, Cumberlands may be the more "prestigious" one as it was founded in the late 1880s and has a physical campus. However, I think if a hiring manager was concerned about prestige, neither school would do well at all.

    However, California Southern does seem to be seeking ACBSP accreditation, while Cumberlands is not. If California Southern does eventually obtain ACSBP accreditation (like NCU did, which was founded by the current California Southern owner), attending now may end up being a very cost effective way for me to obtain a degree with the potential to have a slightly better market perception down the road.

    My goal with the DBA is to find more online teaching opportunities (and I am already working in the field). Thanks to this community for any insights!

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    We have a few members here who are alumni or students in the Cumberlands Ph.D. in Leadership program, they could probably give some insight as to the program structure, and what to expect. We have no D.B.A. students or alums that I know of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
    We have a few members here who are alumni or students in the Cumberlands Ph.D. in Leadership program, they could probably give some insight as to the program structure, and what to expect. We have no D.B.A. students or alums that I know of.
    I guess information regarding the PhD in Leadership at Cumberlands would be helpful somewhat as there is a decent amount of overlap between that older program and their new DBA program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisfun365 View Post
    Would appreciate a pro/con breakdown of both schools for a DBA, especially from people who completed their degree programs at either school.

    If you'd like to share information via PM instead of public posting, please feel free to. Additionally, I am willing to do a paid email/PM consult with current and former students (or someone with a lot of program knowledge, like a current instructor at either school) to get more information. In my mind, as I am looking to spend a good amount of time and money on a DBA program, it's worth paying for a consultation to get a more "unadulterated" feel for either school :)

    If anyone has suggestions for other program options, I'd like to hear them. However, these two schools seem to tick the boxes for some of my main concerns, which are (1) regional accreditation, (2) low cost, and (3) quicker than average time to completion.

    Of the two, I am leaning towards California Southern as they seem to allow more transfer credit (30 vs. 15 hours of a 60 credit program) and I feel that the program overall would be quicker to complete.

    In any event, both programs seem to have minimal to zero prestige, but of the two, Cumberlands may be the more "prestigious" one as it was founded in the late 1880s and has a physical campus. However, I think if a hiring manager was concerned about prestige, neither school would do well at all.

    However, California Southern does seem to be seeking ACBSP accreditation, while Cumberlands is not. If California Southern does eventually obtain ACSBP accreditation (like NCU did, which was founded by the current California Southern owner), attending now may end up being a very cost effective way for me to obtain a degree with the potential to have a slightly better market perception down the road.

    My goal with the DBA is to find more online teaching opportunities (and I am already working in the field). Thanks to this community for any insights!
    I don't think UC and Calsouth are on the same scale. UC is middle of the pack like most schools, CAlsouth is bottom of the heap. After reading, it felt like an ad for Calsouth. One has to be gambler to put 30k in Calsouth when there are better options like UC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phdtobe View Post
    I don't think UC and Calsouth are on the same scale. UC is middle of the pack like most schools, CAlsouth is bottom of the heap. After reading, it felt like an ad for Calsouth. One has to be gambler to put 30k in Calsouth when there are better options like UC.
    Calsouth with 30 out of 60 credits transferred in turns into a $15,000 degree. Compared to $22,500 at UC with 15 out of 60 transferred.

    And, while I agree that UC may have some slightly higher prestige, I think that may also be combined with a degree program that draws itself out. To compare, looking at Wilmington University's DBA, which I have seen mentioned in the "cheap" threads. It is $600+ a credit hour and they don't allow any transfer credit. Based on their press release: https://www.wilmu.edu/news/newsarticle.aspx?newsid=1429, it took at least 4 years (2008 to 2012) for some members of their first class to graduate.

    Time is an investment as well, and I am not interested in taking 4-5+ years to complete a degree program, especially when most full-time, residential DBAs seem to only require 3 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phdtobe View Post
    I don't think UC and Calsouth are on the same scale. UC is middle of the pack like most schools, CAlsouth is bottom of the heap. After reading, it felt like an ad for Calsouth. One has to be gambler to put 30k in Calsouth when there are better options like UC.

    I agree. 30K is a lot of money to drop, better to go with UC.
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    I know this isn't entirely relevant, especially to one looking at online, but I drove by the UC campus earlier this year. Absolutely beautiful, one of the nicest settings I've ever seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTFaculty View Post
    I know this isn't entirely relevant, especially to one looking at online, but I drove by the UC campus earlier this year. Absolutely beautiful, one of the nicest settings I've ever seen.
    Employers take notice of such things.
    XVI.8: Confucius said, "There are three things of which the superior man stand in awe. He stands in awe of the ordinances of Heaven. He stands in awe of great men. He stands in awe of the words of the sages. The mean man does not know the ordinances of Heaven, and consequently does not stand in awe of them. He is disrespectful to great men. He makes sport of the words of the sages."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abner View Post
    Employers take notice of such things.
    Funny, but you're right, they do. How are you and that lovely lady?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTFaculty View Post
    Funny, but you're right, they do. How are you and that lovely lady?
    We are doing good. I am taking Kim to chemo today. She just has one more session to go after today. :)
    XVI.8: Confucius said, "There are three things of which the superior man stand in awe. He stands in awe of the ordinances of Heaven. He stands in awe of great men. He stands in awe of the words of the sages. The mean man does not know the ordinances of Heaven, and consequently does not stand in awe of them. He is disrespectful to great men. He makes sport of the words of the sages."

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    Best wishes to Kim!

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    Great to hear that blasted chemo is coming to an end--let's pray it does its job!

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