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    Easiest, Quickest, & Cheapest (LOL) Online & Regionally Accredited Business PhD/DBA

    Sup. Yeah I want to make you all laugh and I am fitting of my username. Feel free to point and laugh in your responses!

    Looking for the easiest, quickest, and cheapest online & regionally accredited business PhD/DBA. For you wiseguys who will say "pick 2 of the 3" then fine, we can drop "cheapest" in that case. But that still doesn't mean I want to pay $100,000!

    I have zero interest in research. Just need this to check a box for online adjuncting. I see in some threads people disparaging degrees that have gloried literature reviews as their "dissertation." Lit review only is fine by me!

    I've looked at several programs and I am not going to spend 5-7 years or more essentially retaking MBA classes (which were already a rehash of undergrad business classes). If I can transfer in a lot of graduate credits from my master's level work, I'd be even happier.

    Sucks I am doing this now and not in the early 2000s, as I heard of people who got their degrees from places like Capella in only 2 years or so back then. Now I know places just want to squeeze you forever. To be honest, seeing it from the online adjunct side and hearing horror stories of people getting into the hole for big debt at blah places like NCU makes me cautious.

    I guess at minimum I want something that can be done in 1-2 years that is regionally accredited, which seems doable if I can transfer in a lot of credits. I am not concerned about AACSB or ACBSP, but it would be cool to get a degree from a school with one of those I guess.

    International programs could work as well, but I am concerned that the idiots in HR won't be able to work the transcripts so would hate to get a degree at a decent school like Heriott-Watt and then not be "qualified" to teach developmental business.

    Anyway, appreciate any suggestions or advice. If you want to PM me too with some actual real info you don't want to share online, would appreciate that even more!

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    Online adjunct teaching pays crap, it would literally take you the rest of your life (maybe longer) to pay back the debt you'll incur at most RA schools for a Ph.D. or D.B.A. with that kind of compensation.

    You might want to consider one of the more reputable NA schools if online teaching is your primary goal. A D.B.A. from a NA school won't land you a tenure track position at a university, but it might add just enough extra to an existing RA Master's to separate you from the pack of applicants.
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    Online adjuncting can certainly be done with an MBA . Don't know that a DBA without a research component from a lesser-regarded school adds much to the CV with an MBA already on it. Has someone told you that a doctorate is necessary for online adjuncting? As Bruce is saying, it doesn't pay much; you'd be looking at $1,000 to maybe $3,000 (on the very high end, and such gigs are not the norm) for teaching an online course. It's a fair bit of work for little return. I make over $1,000 a day for teaching continuing professional education seminars, and once those materials, the Powerpoints, are prepared the first time, it's a cash cow that requires little additional work. There are far easier ways of monetizing that MBA . But if you really want to teach college, just shoot out your CV, call the local colleges, shake the trees. You keep at it, you should be able to find something without a doctorate being required.

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    I'm guessing that your answer is in this thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    I'm guessing that your answer is in this thread

    Lowest Cost PHD/DBA
    Yes, I am aware of that thread. Most of the content is old or off-topic. Just on the last page there are posts from 2015.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
    Online adjunct teaching pays crap, it would literally take you the rest of your life (maybe longer) to pay back the debt you'll incur at most RA schools for a Ph.D. or D.B.A. with that kind of compensation.

    You might want to consider one of the more reputable NA schools if online teaching is your primary goal. A D.B.A. from a NA school won't land you a tenure track position at a university, but it might add just enough extra to an existing RA Master's to separate you from the pack of applicants.
    Yes, I am aware of the online adjunct pay. The DBA/PhD is mainly to pick up work at places that demand a doctorate to teach even undergraduate classes. Oddly enough, many NA schools are like this, while their RA accredited competitors are fine with Master's degree holders.

    DBA's at NA schools seem to still take 2-3 years. I haven't found one that will transfer in any Master's level courses. Which is funny since most have websites straight out of the early 90s.

    What would be an example of a "reputable" NA school? I still think NA isn't the way to go when you are mainly dealing with HR drones who just check boxes in an online system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadTeacher1 View Post
    What would be an example of a "reputable" NA school?
    http://www.aspen.edu/

    https://www.columbiasouthern.edu/

    Harrison Middleton University

    Quote Originally Posted by BadTeacher1 View Post
    I still think NA isn't the way to go when you are mainly dealing with HR drones who just check boxes in an online system.
    If someone is just checking boxes, they're not likely to know the difference.
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    HR drones in Higher Ed may well be checking the boxes for "regionally accredited" degrees. Mileage may very well vary on this item.
    Situation changes all the time, but I'm under the impression that the closest to what the TS wants, at the moment, is California Southern's DBA. It accepts 30 hours in transfer; having said that, it (or any doctorate) is unlikely to take any less than 2-3 years; more like "at least 3". The web site explicitly lists "critical literature review" as an acceptable methodology for a doctoral project (note it's a "critical" review, so they'd likely expect more rigor than just a lit review).

    This may well be the best option for adjuncting purposes (if one is bent on getting a doctorate; it seems that eg. a CPA could be as effective for this, and cheaper). For transitioning to full-time teaching , my hunch is that Heriot-Watt could be better received. Or other European public school. That's what I would go for. Of course, it does not seem like any of their dissertations are CLRs; all are empirical studies. Lit review is the subject of one of their Intro to Business Research classes, and apparently they expect the review effort to culminate in Chapter 2 of the "thesis".
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    Quote Originally Posted by BadTeacher1 View Post
    Yes, I am aware of that thread. Most of the content is old or off-topic. Just on the last page there are posts from 2015.
    Some of it is old but it also provides a list of schools. If you want updated info you can then simply go to the respective websites. Since you're looking for a PhD I assumed that you wouldn't mind doing a little research homework. Good luck.
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    Has it occurred to anyone that a person who is simply seeking the easiest, quickest, and cheapest doctorate doctorate in only one or two years (1) doesn't deserve a doctorate in the first place; (2) doesn't deserve to teach, even as an adjunct; and (3) is living in a fantasy world?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Levicoff View Post
    Has it occurred to anyone that a person who is simply seeking the easiest, quickest, and cheapest doctorate doctorate in only one or two years (1) doesn't deserve a doctorate in the first place; (2) doesn't deserve to teach, even as an adjunct; and (3) is living in a fantasy world?
    I think that we all thought that but we depend on you to be the one to say this stuff out loud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BadTeacher1 View Post
    Feel free to point and laugh in your responses!
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    I want a DBA or PhD in business that's less than $10K and want to obtain it in less than one year of work with no dissertation, examinations, reading, or hardship required. Also want it to be fully RA accredited and Ivy League equivalent...and I want it from a university that a bowl-winning football program and rocking good-looking PhD regalia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
    http://www.aspen.edu/

    https://www.columbiasouthern.edu/

    Harrison Middleton University



    If someone is just checking boxes, they're not likely to know the difference.
    I still don't think NA is the way to go. For one, I've applied at the first two schools before and they have really shocked me with their demand for a PhD even to teach their 100 and 200 level classes. The first two schools you've listed wasted my time by interviewing me, going through the training, and then never giving me classes as they were "looking for a PhD" to teach BS 100.

    On the program side, they also don't seem to let you cut the length to completion in any way and actually seem to want/require more work than other classes. I mean most charge monthly, why would they?

    Actually, I've been really surprised (and find it rather funny) that the NA schools I am at actually have "harder" classes compared to AACSB programs. Feel a little bad for the students as they are getting a degree that will be looked down on and they are inundated with like a paper, quiz, problem set, and discussion each week while the AACSB courses are developed with only like 6-8 assignments for the whole length of the course.

    NA schools have also been harder than RA schools to get work at as they are "picky." I've been hired in 5 minute interviews at RA schools, but the NA ones had multiple interview "rounds" and all this BS. Several NA schools had insulting enough pay I told them to take a hike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    Some of it is old but it also provides a list of schools. If you want updated info you can then simply go to the respective websites. Since you're looking for a PhD I assumed that you wouldn't mind doing a little research homework. Good luck.
    Oh I see what you did there. You are so clever!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Levicoff View Post
    Has it occurred to anyone that a person who is simply seeking the easiest, quickest, and cheapest doctorate doctorate in only one or two years (1) doesn't deserve a doctorate in the first place; (2) doesn't deserve to teach, even as an adjunct; and (3) is living in a fantasy world?
    Thanks buddy.

    1 - Deserving has nothing to do with it. Even FT on-ground PhDs are more willingness to sit in place versus actually discovering anything "new" that pushes the academic field forward. At least in a subject as vapid as business and at your non-elite tier schools. I've seen enough dissertations and abstracts that are just pure word salad that I'd like to treat it like the gloried book report it is. Do we really need another "women in mid-level organizational leadership roles" paper where all they do is some surveys and somehow write 100 pages on what could be covered in 2?

    2 - So the pay sucks per above comments, like $1,000 - $3,000 a class, and you think that were need to pile on 5 yeas and $100,000 to teach those classes? Being an online adjunct is akin to working fast food at McDonalds. I'm not expecting to "learn" anything from a PhD/DBA to teach canned courses any better. I could teach these classes with just and undergrad degree. Hell, a bright high schooler could be an online adjunct no problem. I just want another food handler's card so I can keep giving out hamburgers.

    3- Anyone who thinks they are deserving of making their own Wikipedia page is the same I'd say.

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