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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    Why would anyone with enough brains to get into Stanford want to live in the Midwest?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Heiks View Post
    Why would anyone with enough brains to get into Stanford want to live in the Midwest?
    Chicago is a great city.

    But even smaller, less great cities are a decent place to go at an appropriate career level. If someone offered me twice my salary to be a VP of HR in Altoona I would almost certainly be house hunting. With the right paycheck even the crappiest of towns is a nice place to live.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neuhaus View Post
    With the right paycheck even the crappiest of towns is a nice place to live.
    I agree with your overall point, but I wouldn't go that far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveFoerster View Post
    I agree with your overall point, but I wouldn't go that far.
    Everyone has their price.

    Think of the worst U.S. city imaginable. The most depressing place you can envision.

    How much would it cost for you to relocate and work there full-time?

    $100,000?

    $200,000?

    $500,000?

    What if people started throwing some pharma bro salaries at you? For $20M I'd live in Centralia and be its most enthusiastic promoter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Heiks View Post
    Why would anyone with enough brains to get into Stanford want to live in the Midwest?
    I love the midwest - the only reason we aren't there now is for dh's job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neuhaus View Post
    Everyone has their price.

    Think of the worst U.S. city imaginable. The most depressing place you can envision.

    How much would it cost for you to relocate and work there full-time?

    $100,000?

    $200,000?

    $500,000?

    What if people started throwing some pharma bro salaries at you? For $20M I'd live in Centralia and be its most enthusiastic promoter.
    It occurs to me that one thing missing is duration. For one year? For ten years? For life?
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    This past summer I visited Kansas City to watch the US Women's Soccer Team play Costa Rica (they won easily). It was a pleasant trip, the weather was quite hot but the people were friendly and I ate some really good BBQ. The city itself seemed quiet and there were generally fewer people around than what I'm used to dealing with. I think I's miss the ocean if I lived there but overall I had a pretty good first impression.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveFoerster View Post
    It occurs to me that one thing missing is duration. For one year? For ten years? For life?
    Well, it's a job. So you're there until...

    1. You retire
    2. You find another job elsewhere with pay high enough to lure you away
    3. You get fired

    So you might be there for one year. You might be there for life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    This past summer I visited Kansas City to watch the US Women's Soccer Team play Costa Rica (they won easily). It was a pleasant trip, the weather was quite hot but the people were friendly and I ate some really good BBQ. The city itself seemed quiet and there were generally fewer people around than what I'm used to dealing with. I think I's miss the ocean if I lived there but overall I had a pretty good first impression.
    I get the impression that a lot of people imagined that Stanford is trying to infuse people into the corn fields. There are a few solid places in the Midwest that any number of people would consider a good move. KC is very nice. I really enjoyed a trip to Louisville KY once as well. Chicago is great if you want a city on the same level as a place like NYC. Indianapolis was also kind of a surprisingly neat place when I went there.

    I did a lot of travel through Madison Wisconsin, for a time. The place wasn't my cup of tea. If work had me go there for a 3-5 year clip I think it would be a decent layover but I cannot imagine calling it home forever.

    And Stanford seems to only be asking for two years. That probably wouldn't even be enough time for me to thoroughly hate a place when you factored in finding a house, settling into a new job and getting the kids into their new routine.
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    Two years, then. In that case, living in Lake Wobegon seems worth it for a free Stanford MBA .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neuhaus View Post
    For $20M I'd live in Centralia and be its most enthusiastic promoter.
    And Centralia is in what state?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Heiks View Post
    Why would anyone with enough brains to get into Stanford want to live in the Midwest?
    I really hope that's a joke. Minneapolis/St. Paul is a great area with a fine arts community, St. Louis is great with a fabulous free museum, Kansas City is a fine place with sophisticated people and one of the finest collections of important 20th century U.S. art in the world at the Nelson, Chicago has two of the finest business schools in the world that rank right there with Stanford. Warren Buffet hails from the Midwest and got his bachelor's at Nebraska-Lincoln before going on to Columbia in NYC for the MBA (and my best guess is Mr. Buffet could kick the intellectual arse of every single person admitted to Stanford's b-school, as well as their faculty).

    Tired old ignorant anti-Midwestern bias reminds me of a good ol' boy in the Deep South who fit right in with the cast of Deliverance who doesn't know jack squat about NYC residents calling them all a bunch of godless commies. About the same level of intellect involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTFaculty View Post
    a good ol' boy in the Deep South who fit right in with the cast of Deliverance
    Right, because it's New Yorkers who suffer the most from stereotyping....
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    I don't know about that, Steve, but stereotyping goes on all around, from thinking all New Yorkers are just like people from NYC (who are wrongly stereotyped as either being effete wine sipping snobs at art galleries, Wall Street raiders, or ignorant, hairy buffoons who say "youse guys"), to thinking all people from the Midwest are idiots and that it's basically "fly over country".

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    I've done quite a bit of work travel. I'd say that any regional misconceptions I had in mind have largely faded. But, as a New Yorker, I will say I do take issue with people saying people in NYC are rude. Some are. Most aren't. There are too many people around to smile and greet everyone. But it is far from a city of callous drones. I've struck up conversation with strangers on the streets of Manhattan. And I don't fix my gaze at the floor when riding the subway. I've also, to borrow an achievement from Billy Joel, walked through Bedford-Stuy alone.

    There are some great people in New York. Some very talented people in New York. And they can't be all lumped into one or two clean groups.

    Naturally, I imagine the same can be said for virtually every sector of our nation.

    I do recall a guy in the Navy nicknamed "Jersey" who spoke like an extra from Goodfellas. He got dinged on his first evaluation for, what his chief carefully reworded, sounding "uneducated" because of his accent and mannerisms. Jersey had a B.A. from Rutgers . His Chief had an associate's degree from Phoenix. So stereotypes can mess with your career even if you aren't part of a group that historically tends to be marginalized.
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