First of all, thx to RFValve for mentioning EBS in a post somewhere, they were not previously on my radar. So, really thinking of pulling the trigger this fall, work has slowed some at the CPA firm and teaching has slowed as well (got a letter from one school mentioning new classes being awarded mostly to Full time faculty with doctorates and any left prob going to adjuncts with doctorates.) I really enjoy teaching online, and I want to keep doing so, and the doctorate will help to secure that. (Currently MBA and passed CPA back in 1996, licensed for years, now inactive) Here is what I WANT, hoping to get some clarification and discussion. Doctorate in "Accounting" For now, I am ruling out the big for profits (Walden, Capella, Argosy and NCU) they DO have the PhD/DBA specifically in accounting, but they also have big price tags and some baggage. I may end up at one of them anyway, but I am starting with NFP. Anderson Univ DBA (Accounting) would be my first choice, but 4 weeks a year on campus is a deal killer. My next choice is/was Baker College, DBA, Self-Designed, with the goal of leaning that hard towards Accounting or Accounting/MIS (Accounting Information Systems) I like the school, price is approx $44k, I am ok with the IACBE and the 1 "professional conference" per year. THEN along comes a post with Edinburgh mentioned. EBS has a great reputation, B&M school for nearly 200 years (HW), a 100% distance learning option for the DBA and the cost as near as I can tell is 15-20k in pounds (22-30k USD?) I even see a DBA dissertation on SOX (Germany slant) so that is encouraging. My question for the board in general is these "self-designed" slants from Baker and EBS, seem to allow me to get my doctorate in "Accounting?" IOW, the dissertation "becomes" the specialization? I know some of you work in administration, if you see a DBA (Accounting) from the big 4 (Walden, etc) and a DBA from Baker or EBS on a resume, with an accounting slanted dissertation, would you consider that "equal?" 100% distance is critical for me (prof conf in USA is fine) I really do NOT want to travel abroad, wife has health issues, just a deal breaker for me. Most UK DBA appear to want "some" residency in UK and that is why I have not really paid them or the AUS programs too much attention. Any other 100% distance out there that I have missed? If you were choosing, Baker at $44k vs EBS at $20-30k.... ? Baker has "regional" which is good for USA, but for teaching credentials I suspect HWatt name actually carries some SERIOUS weight? RFV mentions ranking, #1 Univ in Scotland, major major college vs that...."diesel tech" school? Don't mean to sound snobbish, but it does sorta turn me off that when I login to Baker.edu the Grad program is listed just a tab or two over from the diesel mechanic school.... I like the fact you start at any time... BUT not sure about FUNDING EBS, I think I heard I could not get "Federal" loans for it since UK? But is it realistic to think I would get them for Baker? EBS is cheap enough to start 875 pounds per course, that I actually think I could afford it, maybe never take out a loan anyway!? Vs 44k, $15k in year one for Baker, I might have to get funding, equity, sell a kidney... (Yes ROI is worth it to me and I really want the degree anyway!) Any other "self-designed" or accounting DBA (Phd) programs in USA I am missing? (Nova's 3 weekends per semester in FL take them off my list...) Thanks in advance!! Long time lurker and occasional poster!
I doubt that EBS is number one university in Scotland unless that is relating to universities that have DL doctorates.
Heriot-Watt is named as Scottish University of the Year | News & events | Heriot-Watt University Edinburgh "Scottish University of the Year" (Hey #1 by these standards at least!) Heriot-Watt has been named as Scottish University of the Year 2011/12 in the Sunday Times University Guide. The Award was made on the basis of Heriot-Watt’s innovation, teaching excellence and research as well as first-rate facilities, the employability of the University’s graduates and of recent successes in the National Student Survey (NSS). The University has a fine record for innovation and relevant research and its graduates are highly regarded throughout the world. Alastair McCall, Editor of The Sunday Times University Guide Far-reaching contribution Alastair McCall, Editor of The Sunday Times University Guide, said: “Students and employers alike have good reason to be thankful for Heriot-Watt, the hugely deserving winner of our Scottish University of the Year award. Although, the University’s ranking of 31st in the UK and fourth in Scotland this year is an outstanding result, Heriot-Watt’s contribution to Scotland and the wider world is far more long-standing and far-reaching. “Excellent teaching, intelligent students and first-rate facilities are a potent mix. The University has a fine record for innovation and relevant research and its graduates are highly regarded throughout the world. Their appreciation of the institution where they study speaks volumes and is one we thoroughly endorse. "Hard work and dedication" ...we will continue to work to improve our teaching, research and the student experience. Professor Steve Chapman, Principal of Heriot-Watt University ”Professor Steve Chapman, Principal of Heriot-Watt University, said, “This is a wonderful result for the University. It reflects the hard work and dedication of colleagues in all areas of university life, and, through their feedback to the NSS, the close working partnership with our students and their representatives. “Everyone should feel a huge sense of pride in this achievement, but we will not rest on our laurels. I see this award as recognition that we are moving in the right direction and we will continue to work to improve our teaching, research and the student experience.”
Robert Gordon University (Scotland, UK): DBA £12,375 (DL option) Full Time Professional Doctorate in Business Administration (DBA) - Aberdeen Business School | Robert Gordon University (RGU) Aberdeen Scotland University of Southern Queensland (AUS): DBA Programs and Courses - Doctor of Business Administration (DBAR) University of Southern Queensland (AUS): Doctor of Professional Studies Programs and Courses - Doctor of Professional Studies (DPST) Charles Stuart University (AUS): DBA Course structure | Doctor of Business Administration | Postgraduate | Courses | Charles Sturt University Doctor of Business Administration Hampton University (USA): online PhD in Business Administration (does requires two 4-week summer residencies, e.g., yrs. 1 and 2) Doctoral Program, Business Administration- Hampton University Online
The Grenoble DBA is an AACSB accredited program that hasn't been discussed on this board in awhile. It offers seminars in the United States. DBA Program - Grenoble Ecole de Management It looks like it's possible to do the DBA in accounting. It states under the program objectives...
No problem. I went to a conference in Information Systems last week and spoke to several chairs at business schools that presented a session about what business schools are looking for when hiring faculty. Nobody was able to recognize Capella, NCU, etc. Only one chair recognized Trident or TUI with some bad experiences as he was asked to examine one dissertation that in his opinion was very poor. The overall impression is that if you are looking for serious positions in the US, the main requirement is an AACSB accredited doctorate and some good publications. DL, external, British, Australian, etc doesn`t seem to be an issue as long as the school is AACSB accredited and you have at least one publication from a A ranked journal from an index like thomson reuters. I know this board has many discussions about NCU, Walden, Capella, etc but in the real world these schools are not known. People hiring you are just going to check if the school is AACSB accredited and will run your publication in the thomson reuters search engine, if you don`t pass the test they will move to the next one. I also would like to mention that salaries at recognized business schools start at 100K but 150K seems to be the average salary for a starting faculty member. I realize that convenience is an issue but I would not bother with non AACSB accredited schools unless you want the doctorate just to become an adjunct and teach on the side for extra cash.
University of Surrey-Guildford (AACSB / AMBA): Part-time or distance learning PhD or DBA with research focus in Finance and Accounting Business and Management - University of Surrey - Guildford http://www.surrey.ac.uk/postgraduate/taught/brochures/2344-0909%20PG2010%20Doctor%20of%20Business%20Administration%20(DBA)_proof.pdf University of Durham (AACSB, AMBA, EQUIS): DBA “The new programme, which will be available from Spring 2013, will be offered on a part-time basis and will take 4 to 6 years.” Doctorate in Business Administration (DBA) - Durham University University of Nottingham (AMBA / EQUIS): DBA Regulations for Doctor of Business Administration - The University of Nottingham
I found interesting the statement below from the Surrey program: "You will also have at least three years’ post-degree management experience. Applicants who hold a Master of Research or a PhD from an approved university may apply for direct access to the thesis stage of the DBA." This might be of interest for people with PhDs from non AACSB accredited schools. You might be able to do an AACSB accredited doctorate in only 2.5 years part time: " Stage two takes 2.5 years of part-time and distance learning. It consists of a supervised progression of the writing of your thesis, attending cohort seminars, delivering seminar presentations and, finally, the submission and viva voce examination of your thesis. Your seminar presentations will be based on your research in progress, and will be given alongside other members of your cohort so that critical insights can be gained."
You are correct in that you can't use federal student aid for a non-US DL program. If you were studying on-campus in Edinburgh, then you could. When I was on-campus in Edinburgh, my accounting professor was also head of the Institute of Chartered Accountants. Heriot-Watt also has one of the only actuarial programs in the UK. Even though they don't offer a "DBA in Accounting", they would certainly be able to set you up with a dissertation advisor so you can do something in accounting. However, your coursework will be mainly strategic planning or finance management focused. Heriot-Watt has been rising up in the rankings in recent years. (They are even up there with LSE in undergraduate economics now.) However, they are not AACSB. That may exclude you from employment of some of the AACSB schools down the road. You can see you tough the job market is if you need a PhD for adjunct work now.
The taught courses appear to be 3 in Research Methods (1, 2, 3) and possibly a few others as decided by them, based on my proposed direction for my dissertation. (See below) "On completion of the three Business Research courses, you will discuss your research interests with the Edinburgh Business School Senior Mentor and develop an outline of your proposed area of research. The Senior Mentor will then review your academic transcript and planned topic to decide which, if any, additional courses are required. You must successfully complete these additional subject courses. Each course requires around 200 hours of study." Somewhere I think I saw this could be up to four classes and a certificate of completion being granted during this process but that might be in their PDF instead of the website.
Looks like they changed it a bit. They used to require the core courses from the MSc in Strategic Planning before you did the business research courses. I think I like the new way better.
Replying to subscribe to this thread... I really like HW's program. I first heard of HW in 1989 or 1990 and wanted to get my MBA from them but parenthood intruded. At the time, I didn't know there were US based distance programs. In 2000, when I was looking for programs, I went with a US school. Now I'm looking at DBA options and although I may end up going with UNISA, HW looks like a great alternative - cheap, unquestionable accreditation and flexible.
I am officially working up the application and hope to send it in soon!! The program at HW is my first choice, already got an email back from the administrator (good customer service!!) Although it is not a DBA "in accounting" it is a terminal degree and by dissertation choice I "make" it what I want anyway. I have a pretty interesting topic, (to me) and part of the application we actually mention this. But then there is a 6 month period where we hammer out the final topic. Hoping I can get started early on my research during those 3 taught classes!! Baker is still a consideration, but HW is my 1st choice! (Digging the fact they have a tartan too, might have to get a kilt after graduation!!) Sam
Good news! Good luck Sam! I've heard it's important for the dissertation writer to enjoy their topic and find it interesting, so you've got a good start.
