Nova Southeastern U no longer seeking AACSB?

Discussion in 'Business and MBA degrees' started by carlosb, Jun 19, 2012.

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  1. carlosb

    carlosb New Member

    The part saying NSU was seeking AACSB is now gone:

    Accreditation

    Some students and alumni are not too happy from what I hear.
     
  2. ITJD

    ITJD Active Member

    Nothing to be angry about that Nova is responsible for. You make decisions on schools based on what is, not on what could be.
     
  3. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    It is too expensive to get this accreditation, this means that you need to hire people with AACSB accredited doctorates that demand 100K+ salaries vs the 50K+ that are paid to non AACSB accredited doctorate degrees holders.

    The increase in payrolls would require to double their fees so the impact might be negative overall.

    There is also the time that takes to get the accreditation that is about six years, this means that you are injecting cash and unable to get your return unless you achieve the accreditation.

    AACSB accreditation is a risky proposition.
     
  4. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    This part (what I made bold) is interesting. How can other schools, such as UF and USF, hold AACSB accreditation yet maintain the same or lower fees then non-AACSB schools? Would another option not to be have as many admin positions with high salaries? How about other options?
     
  5. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    State schools get their budgets from the government. I work for an AACSB accredited school and the faculty union has negotiated a market supplement for business faculty given the high salaries demanded by doctorates from AACSB accredited schools. The rationale behind this is that business schools have many private programs (e.g. Executive MBAs) that bring cash to the University so the market supplements are not really seen as an extra expense but as an investment that generate extra revenue to the school.

    However, I agree that not all the schools might be able to afford the extra expense of accreditation and go for a lower tier accreditation instead.

    One possible solution that I can think is to hire AACSB accredited faculty that live in countries with low cost of living that are willing to work for lower salaries and teach online. Some foreign schools hold AACSB accreditation so you might be able to hire some graduates from these schools that are willing to work for low salaries.
     
  6. ryoder

    ryoder New Member

    Good idea. Offshore all the instructors. They do it in my industry so why not education. Lets have a school with 100% of the teachers living in a low cost country like India, Brazil, or even China. We no longer have to pay $100k for a teacher when $25k will do in these countries. These countries are also stronger in math and science than the US so it makes sense to have them teach our adult learners. This is the exact same line of reasoning that resulted in most technical jobs going to India so if it works well for technology, why not for education?
     
  7. dl_mba

    dl_mba Member

    Aspen is already doing it. When i did my substandard MSIT at Aspen, a few mentors were from India. It was very difficult to get an answer from them. It would take 4~5 for them to answer a simple email. I don't think they read any of my papers (most of them were copied from wikipedia and other sources with no citations) but got an "A" for all my classes. Because of the very low quality of the program, i will not display this degree anywhere.
     
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  8. carlosb

    carlosb New Member

    Agreed. I told the admissions rep I would only apply once AACSB is achieved. I do not want a non-AACSB doctorate so I wasn't taking a chance.
     
  9. dl_mba

    dl_mba Member

    They might have taken it down from the website for some other reasons. I would be surprised if Nova has backed away from the accreditation after working so hard on it. I would wait until Nov 2012 when AACSB will announce the newly accredited schools.
     
  10. TEKMAN

    TEKMAN Semper Fi!

    carlosb,

    Just curious! Were you the one that decided for ACBSP over AACSB Doctorate due to costs and flexibility?
     
  11. carlosb

    carlosb New Member


    No, I don't have a doctorate and it looks like I never will. I cannot see working hard for a NCU/Walden/Capella degree and have it treated like a second-class (or worse) achievement.
     
  12. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Easy, just get a degree in IT, Education, Engineering or any other non business field.

    The NCU, Walden, Capella, etc degree might still work for you if you are already working at a AACSB accredited school.

    As far as I know, AACSB accreditation does not require faculty holding degrees from AACSB accredited schools but requires teaching and research experience at the AACSB accreditation level. This means that you could get a teaching position as an instructor with an AACSB MBA and the upgrade to a PhD from a non AACSB accredited schoool and still be eligible for a professor position provided that your research is of quality and published in peer reviewed journals of high quality.

    AACSB accredited will keep the bar high to prevent a market flooded with PhDs willing to work for low salaries. I don't see any of the online for profits offering AACSB accredited doctorates any time soon as the accreditation process goes against itheir business model.
     
  13. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    You get what you paid for. If I am an instructor getting paid 5 bucks to read your paper with little too lose as I have almost no commitment with a school that hires one month one instructor and the next a cheaper one, it is normal that your papers are just graded with an A as instructors would know that this way "Student won't complain" and "Student will give an OK course evaluation" that will minimize my work and maximize profits.
     
  14. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Luckily, there are not enough AACSB accredited schools in these countries just yet. This is not a good thing in the long term as students will lose motivation to do a doctorate if they know that they will not find academic work that pays a decent salary once all the work goes to countries with lower salaries. However, if for profit schools are able to do this, they won't care about damaging the industry as they will be able to make a quick buck and the resale the school once the industry is destroyed.

    Let;s hope that AACSB keeps very few schools in developing countries for long time.
     
  15. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    But the Mayas say that the world will come to an end on December 21, 2012, so that leaves little time to get an AACSB DBA by distance education methods.
     
  16. ITJD

    ITJD Active Member

    Kennesaw State University.
     
  17. kog

    kog New Member

    Perhaps AACSB felt that Nova was implying that accreditation was almost a certainty? Has Nova made any kind of statement about this recent deletion from their website?
     
  18. carlosb

    carlosb New Member

    This is what was deleted:

    "The H. Wayne Huizenga School of Business and Entrepreneurship with endorsement and support from Nova Southeastern University is seeking initial accreditation from the AACSB-International (the Association to Advance Collegiate Schools of Business)."
     
  19. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Faculty members are not accredited by AACSB, programs are. There's no stated requirement that instructors at schools seeking AACSB accreditation must have degrees the programs for which are AACSB accredited. It's true that many schools call for such people when posting vacancies for Business Administration instructors, but they don't have to do so.
     
  20. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Yes, but most of the times they look at the schools you have taught before and your education. I guess a non AACSB accredited doctorate holder might be able to land something at a AACSB accredited school but he or she would need to show a lot of teaching experience at AASCB accredited schools and many publications in journals of high caliber. It can happen but it is not an usual thing to see this type of profile.

    It is like saying that you dont need a PhD to land a full time faculty position, it happens but it is not something that occurs frequently.
     

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