Business PhD/DBA advice needed!

Discussion in 'Business and MBA degrees' started by maxtorb, Jun 5, 2012.

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  1. maxtorb

    maxtorb New Member

    Hello Everyone, Over the past 6 months I have been spending time on the forum reading what people post about different business doctorate programs. As of now I have still not made up my mind and wanted to seek the advice of the community.

    I am looking for a distance learning marketing, strategy or management DBA or PhD program. AACSB accreditation is not a factor at this time and I don’t require it. I teach at a small Christian college that doesn’t require a specific accreditation and we have several full time faculty members with Argosy and Capella degrees.

    There are two items I am concerned about at this point. The quality of the program and faculty that will make this whole journey a positive experience, especially during my dissertation process. The cost is another issue when looking at these different programs and it seems Capella keeps increasing its cost. I plan to participate in the 10 year federal loan forgiveness program since my institution is a 501c nonprofit, hoping it will help some. At this point in my research it seems Capella would be my best option but want some expert opinions. I like the idea of the cheaper DBA programs but have not heard anyone talk about them.

    Could anyone recommend a program they would be jumping into if they were in my shoes? A non-profit would be nice that had a B&M location but can’t seem to find many of those, especially when any feedback of the program.

    I have been looking at..

    George Fox University
    Anderson University
    Grand Canyon University
    Capella
    Walden
    Argosy
    University of Maryland College
     
  2. rmm0484

    rmm0484 Member

    I would start with this link and do some research. I would stay away from the for profits because they are generally more expensive. Of the list that you chose, I would select UMUC, Capella, Walden in that order.

    PhD in Marketing-Online PhD Marketing Graduate Programs
     
  3. dl_mba

    dl_mba Member

    I would suggest below order,

    Nova Southeastern University - B&M (not for profit)
    Metropolitan state university - B&M
    University of Maryland - University College - B&M
    George Fox University - B&M
    Anderson University - B&M
    Grand Canyon University - B&M
    Capella - Online-Only
    Walden - Online-Only
    Argosy - Both



    If a foreign DBA works for you, add below schools to your list
    University of Liverpool - DBA
    Heriot-Watt University - Edinburgh Business School - DBA
    Robert Gordon University - DBA
    university of Leicester - PhD

    There are many more to add...
     
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  4. Shawn Ambrose

    Shawn Ambrose New Member

    Hi,

    I teach at a small Catholic institution and I am a Capella Grad (As a disclaimer - although I am a long -time poster, I am an alumni ambassador for Capella). I believe I received an excellent doctoral education at Capella.

    As far as the DBA/PhD, if the purpose of the doctorate is for tenure/promotion and you are happy where you are, I'd probably advise you to go for the DBA since the degree costs less in time and money. My institution is ABSCP accredited, and we are in the process of interviewing faculty for open positions, and we have interviewed DBA's and PhDs (along with candidates for both degrees).

    If you want to discuss more about Capella, send me a PM.
     
  5. carlosb

    carlosb New Member

    This looks like a decent list but the only one I would consider is Nova. Nova is aggressively seeking AACSB and you never know what the future holds.

    Many of the community colleges in Florida are converting to four year schools. Broward Community College is now Broward College. They currently have an opening in their business program. This is part of the job description:

    Assistant Professor, Business Administration

    Preferred: Ph.D. or D.B.A. in Supply Chain Management from an AACSB-accredited business school.

    Broward College is not AACSB accredited at this point in time.

    If I was looking for an online school only and was satisfied it would meet my needs for the rest of my teaching life i would choose Capella.
     
  6. dl_mba

    dl_mba Member

    I would still suggest to consider B&M schools ahead of online-only schools when so many good B&M options are available.
     
  7. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    The AACSB is Preferred, here is the entire education section:
    Master's Degree in Business Administration or a Master's Degree with 18 graduate credits in an area of Supply Chain Management including Production, Operations, Distribution, Transportation and Logistics required. Substantial managerial or executive experience in Production, Operations, Supply Chain Management, or in a related field is desired.

    Preferred: Ph.D. or D.B.A. in Supply Chain Management from an AACSB-accredited business school.


    Also, the salary is Salary: $37,586 - $55,627 . I am sorry but $37-55K is a joke and would you really spend $75-100K for an AACSB PhD to make a whooping $40K?
     
  8. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    I must agree, I would also suggest looking at a B&M school or hybrid program like Argosy.
     
  9. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

  10. carlosb

    carlosb New Member

    I pointed it out in my original post that it was preferred, not mandatory. I just find it interesting that a former community college we used to refer to as Beer Can College is even showing a preference for AACSB degrees. Looks to me like the bias against non- AACSB doctorates is expanding.
     
  11. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    I had seen South University (for-profit) required AACSB PhDs for their full time positions for a while then that went away.
     
  12. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Randell,

    When I was job hunting, I found out that most positions at small christian schools and state schools without AACSB accreditation pay that much.

    Some for profits pay this much too, Kaplan pays around 50K for example.

    It is surprising that now even these schools are asking for an AACSB accredited doctorate. My guess is that there are people out there that with that hold AACSB acccredited doctorates and because the economy are willing to go for 50K jobs.
     
  13. carlosb

    carlosb New Member

    I don't agree with the AACSB only policy myself. In fact, I think it hurts the students in the long run. A non AACSB PhD/DBA is more likely to have real world experience, something I value in an educator. I would think that colleges would want the best possible candidate that meet the qualifications necessary for accreditation.

    Fortunately, I was taught a long time ago by my sensi to see things as they are, not as I wish them to be.
     
  14. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Most likely because their salaries are in the 40 to 50K range and require to teach 5-7 courses per semester. Kaplan, Capella and other for profits have these deals.

    My guess is that many professors at these schools dont mind the low salaries because the live in countries or areas with low cost of living.
     
  15. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    Those positions required teaching 3 classes and "watching over" about 10 adjuncts. The salary was in the mid 60's.
     
  16. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member


    The OP seems to have already good relationship with a school that has several faculty positions. I think cost and time seem to be the main factor as these positions might not longer be available in the future.

    The foreign route might cost less but it might take long. I don't know anyone that has been able to finish an external part time doctorate at a British, SA, Australian school in less than 5 years.

    If the OP can find a part time doctorate that is RA that can be completed in 3 years, it might be the best option even if the cost is higher as the time seems to be critical here.

    I recall in the forum few people claiming that they were able to complete doctorates at Capella, NCU and TUI in 3 years and a half. I agree that degrees from these schools have low credibility but the OP just needs an RA doctorate to qualify for a position that might not be there in more than 3 years
     
  17. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Still very low considering that job security is low at for profit schools. It is not going to be easy to find another job if your resume has South University (virtual university) as your previous place of employment.

    I would rathar take the 50K at a more solid school with job security.
     
  18. edowave

    edowave Active Member

    Keep in mind, you would not be able to use federal student loans for non-US DL programs.
     
  19. jayinpr

    jayinpr New Member

    My advice: If you depend on teaching even at a community college for a living go with an AACSB degree. If you get an AACSB Phd or DBA you will have the chance to teach at other bigger schools for more money.

    Want to know how much AACSB PhD and DBAs in academia really make... well take a look below:

    Salary Expectations for Jobs in Business Schools - Get B-Schooled

    **** This is a real post for a good university tenure position, I think it is clear what AACSB have accomplished in academia becoming the gold standard in accreditation.

    Open Tenure Track Marketing Position - MyPhDNetwork

    Greetings family,

    My institution, Indiana State University, has an open position in marketing. If you are interested please apply ASAP as applicant reviews begin next week! Let me know if you have questions.

    ---------------------------------

    Assistant Professor of Marketing (focus in Consumer Behavior)

    Scott College of Business, Indiana State University.

    The position has a defined emphasis in consumer behavior, focusing on consumer decision making. Candidates with ability to research and apply consumer decision making in the financial services arena will be given preference. Candidates for the positions should have earned a Ph.D. or D.B.A. with a concentration in marketing from an AACSB-International accredited business program and have coursework, research, or professional work experience in the area of expected teaching. ABD with completion planned prior to August 2012 may also be considered.

    To review the complete job description/requirements and to apply, please go to: https://jobs.indstate.edu
     
  20. jayinpr

    jayinpr New Member

    edowave, you are right on on the federal loans, but guess what... While checking on financing to pursue the DBA at Grenoble, I found out that Sallie Mae Non-Federal Student Loans have the same terms as federal funded ones. If price for a degree is the same then there's no reason to go for a non-US DL program. In my current institution the DBA (AACSB accredited) cost around $23,000 to $27,000 so I decided not to pursue Grenoble $80,000 plus DBA.
     

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