Thread: DBA or PHD in Business from NCU

Originally Posted by RFValve

You can take two paths, either you keep collecting junk degrees or you can get a real doctorate.

Those regionally accredited doctorates in the U.S. are real.

Originally Posted by RFValve

Any barey accredited doctorate is not going to cut it.

Interesting.

More than 50% of Harvard's graduates earned more than 100k within the first three months of graduating.
MBA Program - Statistics - Harvard Business School

Originally Posted by okydd

More than 50% of Harvard's graduates earned more than 100k within the first three months of graduating.
MBA Program - Statistics - Harvard Business School

Okydd,

There are tons of statistics that support this. If me again or someone else wants to find out, there are ACCSB statistics, financial times statistics, salaries surveys, etc.

As for personal experience, people coming from top schools negotiate salaries starting at 120K at the place where I work. I was not able to negotiate a salary at this level because my doctorate is not from a top school.


It is reality, if you want to keep denying it is your choice. Statistics are there for someone if they want to find out. I'm not going to do the leg work for you as I have nothing to gain out of this.

Originally Posted by me again

The point is to show you that you can't make blanket statements without support.

I did not know that this forum was an academic conference presentation. I could formulate an hypothesis and calculate the statistics, p value, blah, blah. But it doesn;t take much to figure this out by looking at the stats collected below:

Business school rankings from the Financial Times - Global MBA Rankings 2012
http://www.aacsb.edu/publications/da...ey/2010-11.pdf


Someone can make a case and say that a PhD from a low tier school virtual school can give you the same ROI and this can be the case for exeptional people but not the case for most of the graduates.

I don't see a reason to spend 50K for a PhD from NCU when for less you can get a doctorate from a top ranked school. Yes, there is no guarantee that this will lead to the 200K career but statistics suggest that you have a good probability of getting there with a top tier degree (no hypothesis testing was done for this statement).

I'm sorry if I repeat myself, I don;'t want to upset people or make people feel less. Options were limited 10 years ago but now there are so many better options that makes more sense to go this direction.

Originally Posted by RFValve

I did not know that this forum was an academic conference presentation.

You wrote that lower tier RA doctorates in the United States are barely accredited [sic] and are not real.

Originally Posted by RFValve

I don't see a reason to spend 50K for a PhD from NCU when for less you can get a doctorate from a top ranked school. Yes, there is no guarantee that this will lead to the 200K career but statistics suggest that you have a good probability of getting there with a top tier degree (no hypothesis testing was done for this statement).

I'm sorry if I repeat myself, I don;'t want to upset people or make people feel less. Options were limited 10 years ago but now there are so many better options that makes more sense to go this direction.

This is assuming the PhD student/graduate plans to teach in the first place! We all make choices and do it with the best information we have at the time. Why didn't you get an AACSB PhD/DBA? Because at the time you made the best choice you could with what you knew (I am assuming). Hell, if I would have stayed in my position as a Wall Street stockbroker (1986-1987) I would have accumlated so much money I would not be working today...or be in jail for insider trading...

Originally Posted by RFValve

What I see in this forum is that many people (including myself) keep collecting junk degrees because employers pay or because they are just easy to get (Let's face it, some of the online masters degree are jokes). Myself I considering another junk masters in accounting just to be able to make few thousand here and there teaching on the side a different subject (accounting and finance).

You can take two paths, either you keep collecting junk degrees so you can keep teaching on the side at low ranked schools (online or face to face) or you can just put all your efforts and get a real doctorate that can lead to a top position in industry or academia.

Whoa...hold on! Why not get an AACSB DBA in Finance or Accounting ? Why collect junk degrees when you get start with that $120-200K?

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Originally Posted by Randell1234

Whoa...hold on! Why not get an AACSB DBA in Finance or Accounting? Why collect junk degrees when you get start with that $120-200K?

For the same reason most people do programs from low tier schools. They are just easier and more flexible to do. If the employer pays for it, don't take much time of your schedule and they can help to land some extra teaching gigs, why not?

For me to get a tenure track in accounting or finance, I would need to present and publish papers in top journals and conferences and do some networking in the academic circles before I can be considered for something like this. This takes a lot of time and effort. You cannot expect someone to come up with a quick online master's in accounting and become a full time tenure track professor.

I don't want to disrespect people in this forum, I have also completed distance education programs and know the time and effort they take but also we need to aknowledge limitations of credentials earned from low credible institutions.

I know some people here do not need to iincrease their salaries and the PhD is just for personal development. However, I'm not one of those making so much money that consider the PhD just a hobby. I rely on my credentials to make a living and promotions. My experience tells me that people with better credentials have more credibility and tend to get better opportunities.

As top doctorates are available at affordable tuition fees, I would consider these programs before other options with less credibility.

15 years ago there were not other options, then I would be happy with Johnson University or The University of AMerica (now capella ) or Sarasota.

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Originally Posted by me again

You wrote that lower tier RA doctorates in the United States are barely accredited [sic] and are not real.

My apologies, you are right, even low ranked doctorates carry value as they are recognized.

My point is that may be is better to put the time and effort in something of more value.

I learned this the hard way.

Originally Posted by RFValve

To be quite honest. I would not bother with NCU or Johnson U. The Edinburgh DBA is about 30K USD as it is a top ranked doctorate.

I think it is getting to a point that any low rank or barey accredited doctorate is not going to cut it. As top schools are getting in the DL business with affordable fees, any low rank or virtual school doctorate will carry almost no value in the future.

Edinburgh Business School: 20000 (full distance learning)

Business school rankings from the Financial Times - Global MBA Rankings 2012

Just so people don't get confused - The University of Edinburgh Business School (part of University of Edinburgh) is not the same as Edinburgh Business School (part of Heriot-Watt.) Just like Florida State University is not the same as University of Florida .

Although Heriot-Watt's Edinburgh Business School is a great program, it is not the ranked program in the Financial Times link you provided. The University of Edinburgh doesn't offer a DBA, distance or otherwise, only a PhD.

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I have not been on for a while so I will first respond with this has become a moot point as the Navy has removed the ability to pursue any degree above the Masters level with TAD now as part of the cost saving ventures being pushed down our throats.

First question someone asked was about NCU tuition. Yes the offer a special tuition rate for active duty military.

Second I am not using my GI bill because I want to transfer it to my wife which I will be doing in the very near future.

Third, not sure why this became a low tier vs Ivy League vs AASCB accredited vs not discussion as I am wanting to pursue a Doctorate level education for pure personal gratification. I am Active Duty and plan to stay that way until at least my 20 year mark. A doctorate degree of any type will not truly cause any career growth for me anytime in the near future. It is just for me to know that I have done something no one else in my family has (go to college, get an associates, join the military, get a bachelors, and soon get a masters). ROI is not important I just want it to be affordable by my standards (IE such as the school initially stated) and legitimate (regionally accredited).

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Originally Posted by bpreachers

Third, not sure why this became a low tier vs Ivy League vs AASCB accredited vs not discussion a

This is my fault, there is a history for this as we have discussed the issue to death. Bottom line is that online schools are raising tuition fees to the point that they are comparable to programs from top schools mainly located in Europe. This raises the question of the ROI of a program that requires a considerable iinvestment and possible low return.

In your case, as the employer is paying, this is not a brainer as other programs you will need to pay for your pocket.

Sorry for changing the subject of the discussion.

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Originally Posted by RFValve

What I see in this forum is that many people (including myself) keep collecting junk degrees because employers pay or because they are just easy to get (Let's face it, some of the online masters degree are jokes). Myself I considering another junk masters in accounting just to be able to make few thousand here and there teaching on the side a different subject (accounting and finance).

You can take two paths, either you keep collecting junk degrees so you can keep teaching on the side at low ranked schools (online or face to face) or you can just put all your efforts and get a real doctorate that can lead to a top position in industry or academia.

RF, I think you get a kick out of offending people. I don't have what you would term a "junk degree" so I'm not angry with you at all, but there are many on this board who are offended by this kind of statement. I wish you would choose words that are kind. You come off saying something to the effect of "if your car is not a Mercedes, then it is a piece of garbage." And, you do tend to repeat yourself.

I think you are probably one of the most intelligent people on this board and I highly respect your opinions. I just wish you would be nicer.

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Originally Posted by SurfDoctor

I just wish you would be nicer.

Points taken, I sometimes speak my mind without thinking who I might offend. My expectations tend to be very high and sometimes tend to undermine efforts of others. My apologies if I offended someone.

Originally Posted by SurfDoctor

RF, I think you get a kick out of offending people.

RF isn't intentionally offending people when he makes braggadocios statements that have no merit. However, RF becomes a lightening rod when he "speaks with great authority" while making non-nonsensical statements, such as here. He occasionally makes some great points and he also has to occasionally be told to return to the reservation.

Originally Posted by me again

He occasionally makes some great points

Yes, one of the best minds on our humble little board. No BS.