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    You are not doing yourself any favors by continuously telling yourself that you are bad in math. Also, if you constantly avoid opportunities to improve your math, as you have, you are expending a whole lot of energy into creating a self-fulfilling prophesy.

    I'm sorry if that comes of as blunt and possibly judgmental, but that is the stone cold truth and the only way you will ever accomplish your goals is to realize that what I'm telling you is true. The only possible situation where it isn't true is one in which you have a genuine learning disorder and might need professional guidance to learn strategies to overcome it. It's hard for me to believe that someone who successfully completed a degree in accounting could possibly have a learning disorder related to numbers- so snap out of it!

    I hope to hear soon enough that you have made your decision, either way, and are plowing into it full force with no inhibitions. Welcome to DegreeInfo, where the players play, and we churn out the credits, like, every day. Contact myself or one of the other moderators if you need any help surviving this jungle of information.
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    I figure I was just being realistic. I would think in order to improve my algebraic math skills to a calculus level, it would take a year or two. I just don't have that kind of time given my age.

    Note: I currently work for the Department of Defense and I plan to stay within the federal government until I retire.

    So i'm not trying to get into the corporate world, etc.

    Just thought I'd add that incase that would alter any responses.

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    What is your motivation for earning the degree? Would it mean enhanced salary or better promotion opportunity, or is this simply for personal satisfaction?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
    What is your motivation for earning the degree? Would it mean enhanced salary or better promotion opportunity, or is this simply for personal satisfaction?
    Better promotion opportunity and personal. With the federal government...some agencies grade resumes and a masters degree or MBA gives you extra points. These days in order to get to a higher grade level having a masters will only help.

    As far as personal no one in my family has ever had a graduate degree. Although I do have one first cousin that has an MBA from the University of Phoenix but I don't count for-profit schools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skooby View Post
    Better promotion opportunity and personal. With the federal government...some agencies grade resumes and a masters degree or MBA gives you extra points. These days in order to get to a higher grade level having a masters will only help.
    If it's a straight point system, then any legitimately accredited school is as good as the next one. I believe the federal government accepts NA schools as well as RA schools, so you might want to look into that option (after you confirm that, of course).

    Quote Originally Posted by Skooby View Post
    As far as personal no one in my family has ever had a graduate degree. Although I do have one first cousin that has an MBA from the University of Phoenix but I don't count for-profit schools.
    You should be concerned with the school's accreditation and cost, not the ownership status. Can anyone with a straight face say that no one is profiting over at Harvard?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skooby View Post
    As far as personal no one in my family has ever had a graduate degree. Although I do have one first cousin that has an MBA from the University of Phoenix but I don't count for-profit schools.
    If you've decided you wouldn't be interested in attending a for-profit school then fair enough, but saying your cousin doesn't have a graduate degree because his MBA is from the University of Phoenix is completely ridiculous. And no, I have no connection with that school.
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    First, if you would like to improve your algebra and trigonometry skills, visit a local community college and have a frank discussion with a counselor. You may not be bad at math, you may have had lousy teachers .

    Now, if you have your heart set on an MBA , then statistics will likely be more important. Here again the community college can help. But do the math stuff face to face not at a distance. If you do not understand something, you need to be able to talk to someone realtime.

    Next, if any Masters degree will do, then drop the MBA . What was your undergraduate degree in? Can you relate that degree to your federal employment. An MBA is a terminal degree (or was meant to be). That means it is the highest business degree and it was intended to provide the right education for an individual planning for a C level position in a corporation. It is funny, I talked to a young person who said to me, "the degree is a general management degree"... No it was meant to be a degree to become a General Manager (that is a term used to describe the President or Chairman of a company.

    So if your undergraduate degree was in Psychology , then take a Masters in Psychology . You may enjoy it more.

    By the way, with the large number of schools now in the DL arena, go to a good school based on its reputation for turning out great leaders. That is what organizations look for. I would hire a person with an MBA from NYU over an MBA from Phoenix anytime. If you just want a degree to get a few more points toward salary or a civil servant rank, then do something that is fast, easy and inexpensive.

    Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skooby View Post
    First, I've never had Calculus or Statistics. I finished my bachelors in Accounting in 2010.
    If you have a bachelors in Accounting , I think you should have no problem with the math involved in an MBA .

    Whether or not if Franklin University is "worth it" for you, if you are just looking for an MBA to add to a resume for advancement in the federal government, I would think that should be fine. However, there are other schools out there to choose from that don't require GMAT.

    Don't let the GMAT scare you. If it is anything like the quantitative section of the GRE, it is mostly definitions, and nothing much beyond high school math.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DistanceGrad View Post
    visit a local community college
    Now, if you have your heart set on an MBA , then statistics will likely be more important. Here again the community college can help. But do the math stuff face to face not at a distance. If you do not understand something, you need to be able to talk to someone realtime.

    Next, if any Masters degree will do, then drop the MBA . What was your undergraduate degree in? Can you relate that degree to your federal employment.

    If you just want a degree to get a few more points toward salary or a civil servant rank, then do something that is fast, easy and inexpensive.
    I've thought about doing the CC statsistics route. It's still an option. My undergrad is in Accounting . Right now, i'm an 'accounting technician' for the department of defense. At the agency i'm in there is a point system.

    On a 100 point scale, education accounts for 20 points. Associates will get you up to 5points. With a bachelors you can get to the 10-15 point scale. A masters is the 15-20 point scale. They say the variation will be due to your GPA and how closely related to the job the degree is.

    However, the selection critriea for the selection officials does say: "If you award more or less points for a particular school attended, you must define points for every possibility and be prepared to defend your logic."

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    This all begs the question. . . just how important is math to being an effective MBA graduate? I would guess that many graduates never or hardly ever use that math unless they end up employed at a financial institution. My perception of programs I've looked at lately is that schools are acknowledging the same, and math is becoming less emphasized-- not to mention there seems to be an increasing emphasis on "soft skills".

    Thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by edowave View Post
    If you have a bachelors in Accounting , I think you should have no problem with the math involved in an MBA .

    Whether or not if Franklin University is "worth it" for you, if you are just looking for an MBA to add to a resume for advancement in the federal government, I would think that should be fine. However, there are other schools out there to choose from that don't require GMAT.

    Don't let the GMAT scare you. If it is anything like the quantitative section of the GRE, it is mostly definitions, and nothing much beyond high school math.
    Maybe I shouldn't be so apprehensive about the GMAT. I hope you're right about the math invovlved in the MBA programs itself. I', paranoid about Calculus. In some of these business programs undergrad you needed a calculus...I just figured some of the MBA would have it too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petedude View Post
    My perception of programs I've looked at lately is that schools are acknowledging the same, and math is becoming less emphasized-- not to mention there seems to be an increasing emphasis on "soft skills".

    Thoughts?
    I hope this is the case.

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    I must agree w/Steve on this, I'll take that degree.Hey, Skooby, How about postin a picture of Penelope...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skooby View Post
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    Note: I currently work for the Department of Defense and I plan to stay within the federal government until I retire.
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    Have you considered the AMU MPA (several concentrations to choose from) and not much math:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petedude View Post
    This all begs the question. . . just how important is math to being an effective MBA graduate? I would guess that many graduates never or hardly ever use that math unless they end up employed at a financial institution. My perception of programs I've looked at lately is that schools are acknowledging the same, and math is becoming less emphasized-- not to mention there seems to be an increasing emphasis on "soft skills".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petedude View Post
    This all begs the question. . . just how important is math to being an effective MBA graduate? I would guess that many graduates never or hardly ever use that math unless they end up employed at a financial institution. My perception of programs I've looked at lately is that schools are acknowledging the same, and math is becoming less emphasized-- not to mention there seems to be an increasing emphasis on "soft skills".
    The Roman senator Seneca said... "We do not learn for school, we learn for life." If anyones intent is to just get through a degree for the sake of the degree, then you are going to be faced with a problem in the future. I am a retired C level employee and worked for three Fortune 10 companies in my career. During that entire period I taught as a lecturer, and as I moved up through my corporate career, I taught as an adjunct associate professor. After my B&M undergraduate degree and first B&M masters degree, I used teaching to keep me current in my field. I have used distance learning and a second regionally accredited DL masters to bolster an avocation. DL worked for me with the avocation as it helped me with magazine articles I write related to my hobby.

    Here is my point, once you move up through an organization, math and hard skills are important. The backbone of every organization is information and most information is reduced to numbers and statistics. If an individual in a corporate setting at any level, but especially the executive is not conversant in almost every business discipline, then they will have never made it to that level.

    Please learn the math...

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    If an MBA requires calc it is general calc 1. You can satisfy that requirement by taking the CLEP calculus test, taking a class at a community college etc.
    Statistics is the more common quantitative element in an MBA and most MBAs have foundation courses that you MUST take if you do not have an undergrad stats class.
    Check out your MBA 's entrance requirements carefully. If you have an undergrad in business you may not be required to take the foundation statistics course but you may want to do so anyway as a refresher. These foundation classes are not graduate level courses, they are remedial courses for students from other disciplines so it won't be too challenging.

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