Kennedy Western University - How would you evaluate?

**Andy Borchers** · 06-14-2003 11:35 AM

All degreeinfo members are encouraged to take this simple poll on Kennedy Western.

Recently, statements have been able about this school and how Degreeinfo members feel about its creditability. It seems reasonable to empirically test these statements. Of course, this isn't a scientific study - since participants are self selected, but it will be interesting to see what folks say.

Regards - Andy

**Gus Sainz** · 06-15-2003 01:02 AM

1-1-19?

There goes the anonymity of the poll! :D

**BillDayson** · 06-15-2003 02:03 AM

Originally posted by Gus Sainz
1-1-19?

There goes the anonymity of the poll! :D

It's 2-3-20 now.

The silent majority are starting to speak!

**Han** · 06-15-2003 02:16 AM

I have seen many posts about this school and the debate to follow. Can anybody give me the top level reason why there is such a debate? I just want to get caught up.

**Gus Sainz** · 06-15-2003 03:01 AM

Originally posted by kristie7
I have seen many posts about this school and the debate to follow. Can anybody give me the top level reason why there is such a debate? I just want to get caught up.

I believe it is the subject of so much discussion due to the insidious nature of schools like Kennedy-Western University. In many ways, they are more despicable than those enterprises that blatantly sell a degree for absolutely no work.

The individuals that purchase degrees without doing any work are, in essence, co-conspirators in a fraud. While some individuals with K-W degrees know they are illegitimate, a great many truly are victims. This is because schools like K-W require just enough work at a level that is sufficiently challenging (to the caliber of students they enroll) to create the illusion that the degree was really earned. Thus, students of schools like K-W are victimized not only because of their wasted investment of time, money and effort, but also because they tend to believe (and will spend the rest of their lives vigorously, albeit futilely, defending) that their degrees are legitimate.

**wfready** · 06-15-2003 03:07 AM

This is my impression of the school. I would have a better idea, but, they don't list any curriculum or specific admissions requirements (that alone gives me doubt on whether or not it is a good school).

It's seems, from other people who have researched or attended KWU, that there is coursework involved. The courses are online and not proctored (which is a BAD thing, as long as they tailor the learning around the fact that the exams [if any] are not proctored [I believe University of Phoenix does this]). If I confuse this school with CCU , I am sorry, I get these two confused. I believe they usually require the student (who, apparently, is admitted w/ prior industry experience or an associates degree) to take several courses to complete his/her bachelors degree in whatever.

That is all find and good. The curriculum involved SOUNDS a little thin; however, I am sure there is a school, somewhere, giving out diplomas for less work required. The KEY point that most of the people who favor RA and NA over these, from the immortal words of RJT, "legally operating, state liscenced post secondary eduactional insitutions" are stressing the UTILITY of the degrees earned. I think degrees earned at KWU or CCU may be challenging; the problem is that some (perhaps many) employers may not think the same.

That's my take on it,

Bill

**Dennis Ruhl** · 06-15-2003 03:39 AM

Originally posted by wfready
If I confuse this school with CCU , I am sorry, I get these two confused.

You are confused.

CCU requires far more than 5 courses.

I have looked at CCU 's MBA program and they allow no credit for experience and, I believe, only two transferred courses. You must take 10 courses from them.

CCU receives a bit more respect than KW and has indicated that it is going to be seeking DETC accreditation. Whether this happens is anyones guess, but it can only have positive impact on their program.

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**wfready** · 06-15-2003 04:15 AM

CCU receives a bit more respect than KW and has indicated that it is going to be seeking DETC accreditation

...and until this happens they will they can get all the RESPECT in the world. Still won't change the usefulness of the degree.

Bill

**Randell1234** · 06-15-2003 11:18 AM

I spoke to a KW rep and it was like talking to a high pressure salesman. They told me to beware of Touro International...they sounded shady.

**gmanmikey** · 06-16-2003 01:33 AM

Two RA schools that have used "high pressure" sales techniques on me are DeVRY and University of Phoenix . Caveat emptor.

I don't want to become another RJT, but, I have to confess that I think that K-W is some kind of school. After all, it requires a whole five courses plus a paper to get a bachelor's degree. A learning process may be occurring. To me this indicates a school. But five courses plus a paper, possibly on top of an associates degree, is not a bachelor's degree. No way.

I think that K-W is a school; I just think that it isn't a good school.

**plumbdog10** · 06-16-2003 02:14 AM

Dennis Ruhl: "CCU receives a bit more respect than KW and has indicated that it is going to seek DETC accreditation."

Plumbdog: I'm indicating that I'm going to be President of the United States someday, so get on board and send in your campaign contributions now.:D

**Dennis Ruhl** · 06-16-2003 04:11 AM

Originally posted by plumbdog10
I'm indicating that I'm going to be President of the United States someday, so get on board and send in your campaign contributions now.:D

The odds of you becoming president of the United States is not significantly different from that of me becoming president of the United States. 1/250,000,000 or 0/250,000,000.

I believe that making a committment to drop doctoral programs and redesign the rest of the programs means CCU has every intention of attaining accreditation.

**triggersoft** · 06-16-2003 04:35 AM

Originally posted by Dennis Ruhl

You are confused.

CCU requires far more than 5 courses.

I have looked at CCU 's MBA program and they allow no credit for experience and, I believe, only two transferred courses. You must take 10 courses from them.

CCU allows up till HALF of the credits to be transfered in, not only 2.

greets,
trigger

**Mike Albrecht** · 06-19-2003 11:52 AM

At over 75% to to 7.6% (as 0f 6-19-03, 7:45 pm PDT) I believe the that "eyes of all but a few DegreeInfo members Kennedy Western" has a "less-than-wonderful" credabitlity.

Based on timing, I wonder if this poll has had anything to do with the recent problems. If so, ther should be another attack tommorrow.

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**uncle janko** · 06-19-2003 02:29 PM

Mike Goldberg: I think the dead skunk fumes on Crawford got to you, landsman.* Is it a school? Let me put it this way. There is a certain type of ovarian cyst which contains, for medical reasons far beyond my ken and way off my barbie, hair, bone bits, and an occasional tooth. Babies have that stuff, too, arranged in the appropriate way and in the correct amounts, along with all sorts of other equipment. The common possession of rudimentary forms of the same stuff does not make a cyst an unborn baby. Too much else is missing, and what's there isn't hooked up right.

*I used to "live" on Kimball.

**Bill Huffman** · 06-19-2003 07:11 PM

Uncle, I'm very intrigued by your post because of my utter and complete failure in making the least bit of sense out of it.

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