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  1. revolutionary

    revolutionary New Member

    I am an education counsellor in middle east and looking for my clients a PWU-like School (NA-SA). Is there a non-resident university which is not so expensive as PWU but with serious practices relating portfolio evaluation of the students ?
     
  2. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    I doubt there would be any cheaper options than PWU (Pacific Western University??) that are logistically simple for non-US residents.

    It would probably be very difficult to complete a bachelors degree from Excelsior College, Thomas Edison State College, Charter Oak State College, or Western Governor's University from overseas.

    I know that many on this forum consider PWU to be a lesser school because of its lack of any accreditation, other than being California approved, assuming we are talking about the California branch and not the Hawaiian. The Hawaiian branch would simply be licensed with minimal academic oversight of its programs.

    In America even PWU would not be well accepted, much any less expensive alternative.

    Using the handle "revolutionary" from a location in the Middle East might not impress our American friends at this time.
     
  3. Even the most rudimentary research would've told you that TESC graduated a significant number of students with overseas residences last year. Even ignoring APO addresses and folks in Canada, I stopped counting at 55. A high percentage of those were from the Middle East.

    Do you have some basis for thinking that they had any more difficulty than the average TESC graduate?
     
  4. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    The nearest DANTES/CLEP test centres are about 700 miles from me. This is not a logistical problem?

    Reading old info re Regents (now Excelsior) when they did portfolio evaluations, a trip to Albany was necessary in many cases. Unsure about TESC. Not a problem?

    I have read many posts in these forums from people overseas having problems testing. You will have to pardon me for believing them.

    Would not a great percentage of overseas TESC graduates already have the bulk of their coursework from foreign sources, picking up their last 30 credits from a varied combination of American sources, most commonly American coursework?
     
  5. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    The difference between valid credit for "life experience" and bogus degree mill "evaluation" is that valid credit requires verification that the material for each required course has been learned. The degree mill bogus way is to wave hands and assign credits or whole degrees without associating those credits with specific courses.
     
  6. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member


    Yep.
     
  7. YOR

    It might be, but only if you want to take DANTES/CLEPs and you object to traveling. But the question was re: portfolio assessment, wasn't it?

    Apart from phone calls to my portfolio advisor (*not* the faculty consultants who reviewed my portfolios) I had no follow-up contact-- none-- with TESC for any of my submissions. I don't have any reason to believe that others had a worse time of it. So I guess the answer is... no, not a problem.

    Nothing to pardon. I believe them, too. But the original question wasn't about testing.

    I "met" plenty of folks taking guided study courses from TESC while overseas, and-- yes-- completing portfolio assessment submissions from overseas, often based in part on prior foreign studies which couldn't be evaluated or which *weren't* evaluated for direct transfer. Neither of these methods are inherently more difficult for overseas students than for locals (except for the service fee TESC used to tack on for sending materials outside the U.S. )

    So, I guess you might have a point re: CLEP. It probably *is*somewhat difficult to "bulk up" on those exams outside the States. But Excelsior exams are *still* available worldwide, as are (I believe) DANTES exams in some situations.

    Lacking access to one means of earning credit doesn't translate to a "very difficult" road.
     

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