Trinity Theological Seminary and Americus

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  1. telefax

    telefax Member

    I noticed something interesting recently while perusing the “seeking employment” section of the January 2003 Evangelical Theological Society newsletter. Some of the more famous schools of dubious reputation are listed in the one-line vitas of job seekers. This is surprising, as they are competing with hordes of graduates from the most prominent schools of theology in the U.S. and Europe.

    Examples:
    John Doe #1: Ph.D., Americus University; Certificate, Moody Bible Institute

    John Doe #2: Ph.D., Trinity College and Seminary; M.A., Columbia International University; M.Ed., Francis Marion University; B.A., U.S.C.

    John Doe #3: Ph.D., Trinity Theological Seminary/University of Liverpool; M.B.A., Indiana University; B.A., Wabash College

    I think they have wasted their advertising money, and in the case of John Doe #2, a good prior education. I wonder whether the fellow got duped, or simply impatient?

    I apologize in advance for tearing Bill Grover away from his doctoral research!
    :)
     
  2. Bill Grover

    Bill Grover New Member

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    You know what? I'm cured. I can see the name "Trinity" and still sleep well tonight. But BTW, I got a phone call and offer from a TTS adminstrator yesterday to continue the PhD there.

    I noticed one of the sports above listed it "Trinity Theological Seminary/University of Liverpool." (ha!) Deception is catching.

    In fact, I just caught it: I wonder ,as I now have a Reader whose PhD is from DTS going over each chapter I write, if I can stretch it a bit, as does that John Doe, and advertise myself soon as :

    "ThD, Unizul/Dallas Theological Seminary" :rolleyes:
     
  3. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Re: Re: Trinity Theological Seminary and Americus

    I knew if you were patient, Bill, TTS would contact you with encouragement to move forward with your studies. Now see, all that fretting for nothing! ;)
     
  4. Guest

    Guest Guest

    How did Dr. Doe "waste" his "good prior education?" Granted, he has a Ph.D. which will enjoy limited utility, but how did he "waste" his other three RA degrees? :confused:
     
  5. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    I noticed a sketchy and mistake-filled dictionary of cults or the occult (can't recall witch) "authored" by somebody who teaches--pardon me, "educates"--at Newburgh, who dutifully listed his PhD as a slasher TTS/Liverpool.
     
  6. telefax

    telefax Member

    Russell: "How did Dr. Doe "waste" his "good prior education?" Granted, he has a Ph.D. which will enjoy limited utility, but how did he "waste" his other three RA degrees?"

    Fair enough, Russell. In an absolute sense, John Doe #2 has not wasted his prior education as I am sure he took away valuable learning from his experiences.

    However, I think that anyone who does even limited checking into T.T.S.'s bogus Liverpudlian "accreditation" scheme will focus on the doctoral degree, and not the prior high quality education. In that sense, by putting T.T.S. on his vita, he may cancel out his credibility he has been trying to build. I think that the misleading claims of accreditation make this more than simply "limited utility", and that the fellow would be better off not mentioning Trinity of Newburgh at all.
     
  7. Bill Grover

    Bill Grover New Member

    I have two fine Colt 1911 target pistols and about a thousand rounds of match ammo. It is a waste of these to break bottles at 20 feet. Some years back I spent around $6,000 to put a really built 454 big block , custom 400 transmission, and 456 rear end in my '72 Chevelle. It was a waste when I drove it to buy milk.

    When one equips himself with two accredited master's degrees assumedly with the intent to teach, as he now advertises for that, then follows that preparation with a TTS PhD diploma replete with a Liverpool sticker, and now nitches himself among PhDs from TEDS, DTS, Westminster etc , and with eyes lowered hopes no one will observe that Liverpool is as much his alma mater as Harvard will be mine because the VP of ACCS is from Harvard, etc , oh my, will one now see the waste?


    To qualify this observation, I'll repeat that the study of Scripture is no waste, TTS has good profs, and TTS , in my opinion , requires a modicum of work. It's not a mill. The waste aspect has mostly to do with limited utility but even this is dirtied more by slimy deceptions which claim grandiose accreditation for the school and now these bogus hyperbolations are assumed as well by the graduates TTS generates.

    Cover up that waste with lies.:confused: Even that Scripture study could not overcome the need to misrepresent, yes another proof of waste!
     
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  8. kevingaily

    kevingaily New Member

    Bill Says: You know what? I'm cured. I can see the name "Trinity" and still sleep well tonight. But.....

    Kevin Says: Bill is living in denial:D




    Kevin
     
  9. Bill Grover

    Bill Grover New Member

     
  10. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Not even Calvin allowed for obscenities, Bill. ;)
     
  11. Bill Grover

    Bill Grover New Member

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    As said, I no longer do that. I am now entirely sanctified, and the sin nature is exterminated, extinct, extricated. Boy does it feel good to be so perfect!:D
     
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  12. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Indeed! ;)
     
  13. telefax

    telefax Member

    But Bill, are you eternally secure in your entire sanctification? :)

    Dave
     
  14. Bill Grover

    Bill Grover New Member

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    To me it is a mystery that proponants of complete sanctification are those who reject complete security. Consider for example one of the best known of the Wesleyan Arminian theologians H. Orton Wiley.

    Prof Wiley, who rejects eternal security, in his three vol "Christian Theology" shows us the reason for this rejection. First, Wiley defines Christian Perfection (desired in this life) as "freedom from original sin or depravity and ..a state of entire devotement to God.. and holy obedience made perfect...and the complete removal of all sin: purged, extirpated, eradicated, and crucified" (2:440-517). Now this is high plane of holiness I have not yet attained. This must be because I have not fulfilled Wiley's conditions as perfectly being submitted to God(which seems to confuse cause with effect) and do not believe strongly enough, and do not thirst for righteousness to a sufficient degree (2:513).

    Nevertheless, it is in a way to my advantage that I disagree with Wiley. For whereas I rely on the imputation of the active and passive righteousness of Christ for salvation, Wiley, secondly, does not (2: 398, 399). As faith is a personal act of the believer, Wiley says, that personal act by the believer is imputed as righteosness, not the object(the work of Christ) of that faith !!(2:400) So, the believer is made righteous by his own act of faith and is made entirely sanctified, furthermore, conditioned on (as above shown) his own resolve .

    My advantages, of course, lie firstly in not having to trust in my own resolve or degree of faith for security and, secondly, in the fact if I do fall, I nevertheless fall not from such an exhalted height as do those made free from sin and perfect.

    Shame on you for distracting me more. Back to work now.
    :cool:
     

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