CCU Instructor

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  1. mdg1775

    mdg1775 New Member

    I recently went to a Class in Las Vegas for work....prepared by a private consulting firm. The instructor introduced herself as Dr. Jane Doe (name witheld to protect the innocent). She went into an explanation about herself, including that she had a PHD in Business from California Coast Univeristy. She could barely teach the rest of the class...many of the students at some point or other questioned her ability to teach in Nevada with a California Degree.

    She was overwhelmed with questions and she did not want to elaborate on anything else because it led back to the academic qualifications. I was surprised by how many people know that CCU is a California Approved School and not regionally accredited!

    I chimed in on day 3 of the class and I made the suggestion that if she was hired in California...and her credentials are on file in the company headquarters in California...then she could be dispatched out to teach in Nevada if there was no conference space available (Just to restore order)...but she hung herself further by saying that she has never been to California and her firm is based in Virginia.

    Why go throughthe hassle of trying to use a California Degree on the road when there will be a great chance for you to get "found out" as distance education becomes more prevalent and people gain more knowledge?
     
  2. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    This is a non sequitur. Having a degree from an unaccredited school in California has nothing to do with her making some presentation in Nevada, or Virginia for that matter. We're not talking about some sort of certification that would have jurisdictional limitations, right?

    As for her qualifications vis a vis her ability to teach, this anecdote is just that: an anecdote. By itself it doesn't illustrate the quality--or lack thereof--of CCU graduates.

    I am surprised that there was anyone who was at all familiar with CCU. In my experience, that's unusual.

    In my research, participants in my yet-to-be-published survey indicated a willingness to accept degrees from CCU for employment purposes. I attribute that to their ignorance of the school, state approval, and accreditation. (Other results lead one to this conclusion.)
     
  3. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    With the minor exception of a couple of California government licenses, I would guess that a CCU degree would have the same value (or lack of value) in any other state in the union.
     
  4. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    Since corporate training doesn't require any qualifications, perhaps she should have suggested that the first person to disrupt the class may want to leave and let the class get on with it.
     
  5. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

  6. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    As a corporate trainer, I agree. I might give the group a couple of 'em, but if they're distracted, I'll put 'em back on track.
     
  7. Guest

    Guest Guest

    About two years ago I noticed a faculty listing in the local community college catalog, which included a CCU doctorate. The B and M degrees were RA. I spoke with this person via phone regarding CCU and was told that they had experienced no problems with the degree. I also spoke with the college HR person, and was told that the faculty person was allowed to list the CCU degree, but their salary was based on the RA M degree. Oddly though, when the most recent catalog came off the press, the CCU doctorate is no longer listed.

    Corporate training and academe are entirely different, but CCU caught my attention. However, some CA psychologists seem quite happy with their CCU Ph.D.'s.
     
  8. jackjustice

    jackjustice New Member

    Russell,

    Just out of curiosity, have you ever been sued by an individual in the circumstances you describe? I would think that the individual would at least be interested in taking the HR department to task for revealing confidential salary information, even though I am sure that did not talk dollars and cents. I can't believe someone in HR would respond to you at all without a written request and without discussing the request with the individual before responding, and checking with their legal department to see if there was a need or obligation to respond at all. It would be interesting to have an attorney comment on this. At best, your intention seemed malicious. Just curious.
     
  9. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I've heard contacting someone's employer on an unrelated matter can be construed as tortious interference. But I wonder if contacting a college or university regarding the credentials of one of its employees would fall under this. It would seem that if a person had, say, a Ph.D. from Berne University and was teaching at some school in, oh, I don't know, let's say New York, it would be "in bounds" to ask that school about it. (We'd be back at the "out/don't out" argument, which is one of ethics, not law.)

    The above case is hypothetical, of course. Mercy! ;)
     
  10. manjuap

    manjuap New Member

    Several months back i had posted here about two faculty at Argosy University with CCU degrees listed in their catalog.
     
  11. Ike

    Ike New Member


    Speaking of the devil (Berne University), I noticed that a faculty member at Touro University International listed a Ph.D. from Berne University. The faculty member in question is Dr. Hassad. He is an adjunct faculty.

    http://www.tourou.edu/catalog/faculty.htm

    Perhaps Eli and other TUI students may want to know how and why he was hired by TUI.
     
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  12. Guest

    Guest Guest

    No I haven't Jack, but then again, I don't make it a habit of calling schools over such matters. The school in question is located near my home, and at the time I was seriously wanting to know how CCU degrees were perceived/recognized, as I had considered a CA approved school at one time. I made no malicious comments to the HR person regarding CCU or the person listing the degree. And you are correct, no details of salary were mentioned, only that the individual was employed based on his RA master's degree. So in terms of being malicious, no, only seeking information.
     
  13. Jeff Hampton

    Jeff Hampton New Member


    This is really surprising--and disturbing, particularly considering that this person teaches in the health care field.

    If I were a student (or faculty member) at Tourou, I would be furious. In my opinion, if the administration knowingly allows this, a Ph.D. from TUI is only slightly less dubious than one from Berne.

    Jeff

    "...and the leg bone's connected to the...foot bone"
     
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  14. John Bear

    John Bear Senior Member

    Ike:
    Speaking of the devil (Berne University), I noticed that a faculty member at Touro University International listed a Ph.D. from Berne University. The faculty member in question is Dr.Hassad. He is an adjunct faculty.

    John:
    I have been told, I am confident reliably, that Dr. Hassad, whose day job is as a faculty member at Mercy College in NY, is the person who posts on alt.education.distance under the name "Ron Aleem" (and up to 40 other names), and has, under the Aleem name, attempted to get Union Institute to disqualify Rich Douglas as a student, and me as an adjunct faculty member.
     
  15. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Talk about the Orontes flowing into the Tiber (or the Ohio).
     
  16. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Very interesting. I was about to post in response to Mr. Hampton's statements (Touro/Berne) and note that he was certainly over reacting. While that may be true, I am appalled if what you say is accurate regarding Dr. Hassad. Rather shameful behavior on the part of someone who is an Assistant Professor. I do not know what his/her issues are with you and Rich (maybe negativity toward Berne) but his/her behvior is very disturbingly petty. Heck, Bill and I disagree about the relationships within the Trinity but I believe that Bill has every right to hold unbiblical, illogical, and unsupportable views. :D

    In all seriousness, if Dr. Hassad did do that he/she should be ashamed. Sigh.........................

    North
     
  17. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    If true, Dr. Hassad is in critical need of mental health care.
     
  18. Ike

    Ike New Member

    This is a shame. Why would he want the Union Institute and University to disqualify Rich? As someone from the academia, he understands fully that this is a conduct unbecoming an academician. It is an uncivilized way of addressing the cloud that hangs over Berne's accreditation/recognition by the government of St. Kitts. If he is doing this because Rich has been critical of the legitimacy and recognition of Berne University, it is very bad. He has to understand that Rich was only espousing his educated opinion. Rich has more knowledge of DL issues than most of us. He is indeed an expert on DL but expets are not always right. One may or may not agree with Rich's opinions but this is not unexpected when educated people discuss. Berne is not a diploma mill (as I have always said) but it is definitely not a wonderful school. As far as I know, it is still inconclusive to assert that Berne University is not properly recognized by St. Kitts, but it is also shameful that Dr. Hassad would resort to campaign of calumny against Rich Douglas and Dr. Bear.
    Finally Dr. Hassad, if you are reading this post, I will advise you to desist from trying to disrupt Rich's doctoral studies because this action can only diminish my view of Berne University and its alumni. As an alumnus of Berne University, you are looked upon as an ambassador of your alma mater. Your actions will help shape how others view Berne university and its alumni.
     
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  19. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Thanks, Ike. For the record, I didn't call Berne a diploma mill, either.

    I make mistakes all the time. And I've been willing to admit them.

    I have to say, "campaign of calumny" is pretty cool. Nice one;)
     
  20. Guest

    Guest Guest

    You seem to be hanging in there Rich. Situations like this bizarre Dr. Hassad one are partially responsibile for folks not wanting to post too much in the way of personal information (eg Earon K. not revealing where he is working on his doctorate).

    As I say, assuming the information is accurate, Hassad should be ashamed of his childish bizarre behavior. Did he miss an ethics class at Berne?

    North
     

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