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    Wink Progressive Universal Life Church

    You should check out this site:

    http://www.pulc.com/products.htm


    The Progressive Universal Life Church now offers a Sainthood Certification along with many other postgraduate degrees and professional licenses. What a divine way to elevate ones status to that of Saint. Just imagine, no need for papal approval or beatification. Just pay $20.00 to join God's exclusive House of Lords. Looks great on your resume too!
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    I like where it says that
    When you graduate and receive your beautiful Diploma, you will be a CERTIFIED PROFESSIONAL, authorized to charge top dollar for your Psychic services.

    I wonder if this is where Ms Cleo got her start?????


    :D
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    Re: Progressive Universal Life Church

    [QUOTE]Originally posted by roysavia
    [B]You should check out this site:

    http://www.pulc.com/products.htm


    The Progressive Universal Life Church now offers a Sainthood Certification along with many other postgraduate degrees ..a divine way to elevate ones status to that of Saint. Just imagine, no need for papal approval or beatification.



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    Warning: Theologian at Work


    Personally I consider sainthood more available than the ThD.

    Of course, the definition has changed. In the beginning of Christianity all Christians in common were "saints" because of a relationship they each had-- (the essence of the Calvinistic position on justification and sanctification is that holiness is positional)-- not because of their works:

    eg, "To all the *saints* in Christ Jesus who are at Philippi" (Phil 1:1--NAS).

    (not to deny that for that relationship to thrive required a life which reflected it).

    But now "sainthood" indicates to some a unique and distinguished person who is awarded that title by ecclesiastical officials only after much examination of the good that one has done and his/her virtue. So, the meaning has changed. I can see "sainthood", though, in this second sense, being recognized in a general sense for the goodness to humanity done by special people of all, or even of no, faiths. Yet to acquire it with money and not goodness , and to evince it with paper not service , shows just how far some will go to escape personal sacrifice. It would seem that to buy it would constitue a personal betrayal of that character desired by the purchase and the paper. Of course I'm taking this seriously whereas many may buy such just for a joke.


    The awarding of a doctorate in Christian Theology or Biblical studies for" life experience " on the other hand while less enigmatic to me though seems more ingenuine. It is less confusing because so very many fancy themselves theological experts who have little or no formal training. But because they have read the Bible annually for thirty years, or because they deem theology to be really quite lucid, [for why ,after all, would a Scripture intended to be revelatory be made obscure ] , or because they they feel they have mastered one tiny portion of Christian doctrines as "pretribulationalism", they just deserve that title..doggone it! Nevertheless, such a view is more unreal than the quest for sainthood , and to all who would buy a ThD, let me assure you, what you have bought is not knowledge. I know many will disagree ,but the purchase of this latter qualification by any Christian IMHO is a bigger deceit than acquiring sainthood with a credit card.

    As a Calvinist I believe either recognition is by grace, but the accepting of grace can require some effort. In the case of the ThD it is about 11 years of full time effort.
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    Re: Re: Progressive Universal Life Church

    [QUOTE]Originally posted by Bill Grover
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    Originally posted by roysavia
    You should check out this site:

    http://www.pulc.com/products.htm


    The Progressive Universal Life Church now offers a Sainthood Certification along with many other postgraduate degrees ..a divine way to elevate ones status to that of Saint. Just imagine, no need for papal approval or beatification.


    But now "sainthood" indicates to some a unique and distinguished person who is awarded that title by ecclesiastical officials only after much examination of the good that one has done and his/her virtue. So, the meaning has changed. I can see "sainthood", though, in this second sense, being recognized in a general sense for the goodness to humanity done by special people of all, or even of no, faiths. Yet to acquire it with money and not goodness , and to evince it with paper not service , shows just how far some will go to escape personal sacrifice. It would seem that to buy it would constitue a personal betrayal of that character desired by the purchase and the paper. Of course I'm taking this seriously whereas many may buy such just for a joke.

    In the case of the ThD it is about 11 years of full time effort.
    Bill,
    I couldn't agree with you more. Sainthood should be reserved for those who've served the Lord by showing goodness and kindness to humanity. It shouldn't be marketed as a common stock (buy a share) or as a novelty item.
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    If you set up your own church, then you get the right to define sainthood any way you want to.

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    Originally posted by cdhale
    I like where it says that
    When you graduate and receive your beautiful Diploma, you will be a CERTIFIED PROFESSIONAL, authorized to charge top dollar for your Psychic services.

    I wonder if this is where Ms Cleo got her start?????
    If you had bought one of their psychic diplomas, you would already know the answer to that question.

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    Originally posted by BillDayson
    If you had bought one of their psychic diplomas, you would already know the answer to that question.
    If there is someone out there who has one of these diplomas, I'd like to know the winning numbers to next months Florida State Lottery.:p :p :p :p
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    Originally posted by BillDayson
    If you had bought one of their psychic diplomas, you would already know the answer to that question.
    Well, of course I would.... IF I had bought one. But I am taking the lazy way out and hoping that one of you suckers... I mean, good people.... had already purchased one and could answer my question for me. Then I could save $20...

    clint:p

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    Re: Progressive Universal Life Church

    Originally posted by roysavia
    The Progressive Universal Life Church now offers a Sainthood Certification along with many other postgraduate degrees and professional licenses.
    Mine came in the mail yesterday!

    Russell, PCS
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    Didn't Martin Luther have something to say about the sale of indulgences?

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    Progressive Universal Life Church

    I have always considered myself somewhat orthodox so I will stick with the parent Universal Life Church.

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    As opposed to the Whole Life Church?

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    I am trying to find that site but am unable to. I am interested in the Certified Psychic course that can be completed in one week. Crone7us@yahoo.com Thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev Kelly View Post
    I am trying to find that site but am unable to. I am interested in the Certified Psychic course that can be completed in one week. Crone7us@yahoo.com Thank you
    Not sure what to say about that. I am thinking if you had an aptitude you would have been able to find one?? Since, I am not aware of any genuine certifications in psychic powers I would think this is not necessary anyway.

    Plus I am wondering why you resurrected this ancient thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garp View Post
    Not sure what to say about that. I am thinking if you had an aptitude you would have been able to find one?? Since, I am not aware of any genuine certifications in psychic powers I would think this is not necessary anyway.

    Plus I am wondering why you resurrected this ancient thread?
    I think it's part of the certification test. If you can't find it, they figure your psychic skillz aren't up to par and don't deserve certification.
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