Trinity College PhD Dissertation

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  1. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

  2. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    What you linked to was apparently a term paper not a dissertation. It appears that the term paper has one reference which is the Trinity dissertation.
     
  3. bgossett

    bgossett New Member

    Discussion of this paper apparently goes way back.
     
  4. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    It seems that it is the dissertation
    "Dr. Faruk Hosain, a Trinity graduate, has posted his doctoral dissertation of 4224 words on the Internet. Hosain says he was required to submit 29 similar papers to earn his Ph.D. from Trinity College & University. After communicating with Hosain, I am convinced that he is a sincere person. Therefore, all I'm going to say is: Go to a few accredited universities and look at their doctoral dissertations, keeping in mind that their students normally write an extensively researched paper or do a demonstration project for every class leading up to the dissertation. Then draw your own conclusions. "



    http://www.degreefinders.com/news.html
     
  5. fnhayes

    fnhayes New Member

    Trinity College & University Dissertation Requirements

    IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE A COPY OF THE TRINITY COLLEGE & UNIVERSITY DISSERTATION REQUIREMENTS I WILL BE HAPPY TO EMAIL A COPY.
    I HAVE HAD QUITE A LONG INVOLVEMENT WITH TCU AND PRODUCED AN EXTENSIVE PhD DISSERTATION CONCERNING THE NZ BROWN TEAL - A SPECIES I HAVE BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH FOR OVER THIRTY YEARS.
    AS A RESULT OF THIS DISSERTATION, A 50,000 WORD MANUAL ENTITLED "NATURAL HISTORY, CAPTIVE MANAGEMENT AND SURVIVAL OF THE NZ BROWN TEAL" HAS BEEN PRODUCED.
    THIS HAS BEEN PEER REVIEWED BY A NUMBER OF EMMINENT WATERFOWL AUTHORITIES, SOME OF WHOM BELIEVE THAT IT COULD BECOME "THE BIBLE" IN THE EFFORTS TO SAVE BROWN TEAL FROM EXTINCTION. THE BROWN TEAL IS THE WORLD'S SECOND RAREST SPECIES OF DUCK.
    AT MY AGE THE PhD AWARD WAS REALLY AN INSIGNIFICANT PART OF THE WHOLE EXERCISE, AND WHILST JOHN BEAR, AND MOST OTHERS FROM "THE ESTABLISHMENT", HAVE RIDICULED TCU, HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR TCU (AND JOHN BEARS 14th EDITION) THIS NEW MANUAL WOULD MOST LIKELY HAVE NEVER SEEN THE LIGHT OF DAY) PERHAPS WE CAN BLAME JOHN BEAR IF BROWN TEAL BECOME EXTINCT? :)
     
  6. drwetsch

    drwetsch New Member

    Re: Trinity College & University Dissertation Requirements


    OK, I would like to see a copy of the TC&U dissertation requirements.

    More importantly, I have to ask the question as to why you chose TC&U to write this manual? If the manual is a significant contribution and you really do not want a Ph.D. why not just get the manual published as the TC&U Ph.D. will not really count for anything in academia anyway? Did you have a dissertation committee and were they qualified in the field? Is the disertation work available through TC&U or is the manual available somewhere else? How did TC&U facilitate you in the development of the manual since you are making a claim that they were invaluable in this regard?

    What I am trying to establish here is what was the true value of TC&U to you in the development of this manual/dissertation? Did you also complete doctoral level coursework in the field?

    Overall, I am skeptical as to the value of TC&U in the learning process in this case. I believe TC&U was a means for you to validate your own work on the manual by being awarded their Ph.D. Correct me if I am wrong as I am very curious on this matter and am trying to keep an open mind.

    John
     
  7. bgossett

    bgossett New Member

    TC&U's description in a sponsored listing at a search engine:

    Trinity College Three-Day Degree Program
    Qualify for a legal, accredited college or university degree in as little as three
    days based on your prior work and life experiences. Bachelors, masters and
    doctoral degrees are available.
    www.trinity-college.edu
    :D
     
  8. fnhayes

    fnhayes New Member

    Trinity College & University

    I CHOSE TCU BECAUSE IT WAS LISTED IN JOHN BEAR'S BOOK. THE BOOK GAVE ME NO INDICATION THAT TCU WAS A SO-CALLED "DEGREE MILL". I LIKED THE NAME TOO!
    THROUGHOUT MY 30+ YEAR INVOLVEMENT WITH THE NZ BROWN TEAL I HAVE WRITTEN IN EXCESS OF 200,000 WORDS ON THE SUBJECT AND HAVE HAD NUMEROUS PAPERS PUBLISHED, IN SCIENTIFIC WATERFOWL PUBLICATIONS AND A VARIETY OF OTHER JOURNALS. THE IDEA OF PRODUCING AN AMALGAMATION OF THESE WORKS AND ADDING TO IT THE UNIQUE VALUES OF THE SPECIES, THE HABITAT REQUIREMENTS, FOOD REQUIREMENTS, FLOCK SITE IMPORTANCE, PREDATORS AND HOW TO ELIMINATE THEM, PROVIDING CLEAR DIRECTIONS AS TO HOW THE RECOVERY PROGRAMME SHOULD BE OPERATING, ETC., ETC., ETC.
    I CAN EMAIL A COPY OF THE DRAFT OF THE MANUAL, WHICH IS AROUND 20,000 WORDS LARGER THAN THE DISSERTATION. MY EMAIL IS LISTED ([email protected]). SIMPLY SHOOT ME A NOTE AND I WILL ATTACH BOTH THE TCU GUIDELINES AND THE DRAFT MANUAL - WHICH IS NOW AT THE PRINTERS AND WILL APPEAR IN PRINT NEXT WEEK. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE A COPY OF THE FINAL PRODUCT I'D BE HAPPY TO SUPPLY ONE.
    TCU APPROVED A RESUME OF WHAT I PROPOSED AND THE DISSERTATION WAS PEER REVIEWED IN NEW ZEALAND BEFORE IT WENT TO TCU. I HAVE NO IDEA WHO PEER REVIEWED IT AT TCU AND THIS IS REALLY IRRELEVENT TO THE MESSAGE I WAS ATTEMPTING TO GET ACROSS, WHICH WAS THAT THE MANUAL WOULD NOT HAVE EVENTUATED HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR TCU. AND REGARDLESS OF WHAT 'ACADEMIA' THINKS MY RESEARCH ON THE SUBJECT, MY THIRTY YEARS EXPERIENCE, 250,000 WORDS WRITTEN, NOT TO MENTION THE RESPECT GAINED FOR MY WORK WITH BROWN TEAL, FAR EXCEEDS ANYTHING LIKELY TO BE ACHIEVED THROUGH A PhD AWARDED BY 'THE ESTABLISHMENT'. :)
     
  9. Bill Grover

    Bill Grover New Member

    Re: Trinity College & University


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    I THINK WE NEED A SEPARATE FORUM FOR THE BROWN TEAL:D
     
  10. Bill Grover

    Bill Grover New Member

    Re: Trinity College & University

     
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  11. fnhayes

    fnhayes New Member

    Trinity College & University

    I THINK A BROWN TEAL FORUM WOULD BE NICE, INSTEAD OF LOTS OF ACCREDITED V UNACCREDITED.
    JOHN BEAR'S 14TH EDITION ON TCU SAID "OFFERS DEGREES AT ALL LEVELS BY ASSESSMENT BASED ON LIFE EXPERIENCE AND LEARNING. PRICES RANGE FROM $600 .... TO $1500 FOR A DOCTORATE. BEGAN LIFE IN THE LATE 90'S AS AN AMERICAN OUTPOST OF TCU IN THE UK .........". IT GOES ON TO SAY THAT THE TWO ACCREDITING AGENCIES LISTED ARE BOTH UNRECOGNISED.
    NOWHERE DOES IT SAY THAT TCU IS A 'DEGREE MILL' AND TO A 'COLONIAL' LIKE MYSELF, WITH A VARIETY OF TECHNICIAN QUALIFICATIONS AND CONSIDERABLE EXPERIENCE IN INDUSTRY AND DISTANCE EDUCATION, PLUS YEARS OF INVOLVEMENT IN WATERFOWL AND WETLANDS (I ALSO WROTE A DISTANCE EDUCATION COURSE ON "WETLANDS APPRECIATION & MANAGEMENT") TCU SEEMED AN INTERESTING OPPORTUNITY FOR ME TO 'QUALIFY' IN A NEW ARENA.
    THE BROWN TEAL MANUAL HAS BEEN PUBLISHED BY 'THE BROWN TEAL CONSERVATION TRUST'. AN ASSOCIATE IS JUST COMPLETING A NEW 1 1/4 HR MOVIE ABOUT NZ WATERFOWL & WETLANDS AND WITH A LITTLE WORK THE FILM + MANUAL COULD RAPIDLY BE DEVELOPED INTO A MAJOR ENVIRONMENTAL DISTANCE EDUCATION COURSE. :)
     
  12. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Sorry to tell you that the TCU&U PhD worths nothing. As a matter of fact, I was offered a PhD in 1997 from TCU&U for the sum of $100 dlls. I recall an email telling me that they had a special offer for those that holded an accredited master's degree for 100$ dlls.
     
  13. Wes Grady

    Wes Grady New Member

    Re: Trinity College & University

    Are you kidding us or are you really that dense. A Ph.D. for $600? $1,500.00? Completed in a matter of weeks or months?

    What does it take to make you see this for what it is? I'll bet even those brown Teal would see through this one.

    Wes
     
  14. drwetsch

    drwetsch New Member

    Re: Trinity College & University

    Your manual may be good (not my field so I'll take your word for it) and I wish you much success as it unfolds into film and education. However, the degree from TC&U was not a worthwhile pursuit and doesn't qualify you for anything. It is basically making someone else rich at your expense.

    Years of experience in a field, technician qualifications, etc. may serve you well in a pursuit of an accredited undergraduate degree. But doctoral level learning it does not make. You will need to come to terms with holding a degree mill credential -- your best bet is to not to use it.

    John
     
  15. drwetsch

    drwetsch New Member

    Re: Trinity College & University

    When you speak of "The Establishment" it is a rather broad term especially when viewing it with all of the traditional and non-traditional learning options available today. TCU is definitely anti-establishment because it undermines what quality education is all about.

    In your post you also brought out a significant flaw in the TCU process. You stated you did not know who reviewed your work at TCU. In a doctoral program you have dialogue and exchange with members of a committee so that they can provide feedback. Committee members are known to the student. In essence, what you have stated is that it is completely unknown if qualified experts in the field at TCU (not the New Zealand reviewers) reviewed the work. Do they even have any? More than likely it was rubber stamped at TCU. Did you embark and complete this work prior to enrolling at TCU because it appears it went to New Zealand first?

    Anyway, don't discredit your work and experience in the area with a TCU credential.

    John
     
  16. Bill Grover

    Bill Grover New Member

    Re: Trinity College & University

     
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  17. Ian Anderson

    Ian Anderson Active Member

    The TU web site listed above does not mention (at this moment in time) doctoral degrees.
     
  18. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    When it comes to mills, if it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck...
     
  19. Professor Kennedy

    Professor Kennedy New Member

    Every con feeds off a mark...

    Trinity College Dublin is one of the most respected universities in Europe - it still ranks so high in the United Kingdom that, despite the separation of Ireland into a foreign country, it remains a UK 'copyright library' into which a copy of every book published in the UK must be desposited - the others are Oxford, Cambridge, British Museum (now National) Library, and Edinburgh.

    "TrinityCollege and University", apart from the details released on this site is an, er, institution of doubtful parentage and of even more doubtful value. You are feeding your ego not your future. Remember that every con (no exceptions) plays to the mark's desire to gain what they do not deserve and to feed their greed for being praised but in fact, they are seen to be unworthy of the praise they think they will attract.

    What is in store for the conned is ridicule.
     
  20. drwetsch

    drwetsch New Member

    I sent you an email to the address you indicated but it bounced back. The mesage received was:

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    This is the Postfix program at host dragon.actrix.co.nz.

    I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned
    below could not be delivered to one or more destinations.

    For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster>

    If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
    delete your own text from the message returned below.

    The Postfix program

    <[email protected]>: unknown user: "haltd"

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    You had previously posted:

    MY EMAIL IS LISTED ([email protected]).

    Are you by any chance a Trinity Troll or is this just an incorrect e-mail address.


    John
     

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