UoP vs. CCU

I have completed a BS from CCU and I am working on my MBA from CCU. I am also working on a BS from COSC.

I have taken 2 classes at UoP (Jacksonville campus, not online) to transfer to COSC and I feel the amount of work required for the CCU classes FAR exceeds the work required for the UoP classes. I understand the accreditation issues and that is why I am getting a BS from COSC but just because a school is RA does not mean the students will receive a better education than a non-RA school.

When I complete COSC, I plan to post a side-by-side comparison of COSC and CCU.

 

Are you referring to California Coast University?

 

Yes, California Coast University

 

What's your point? The amount or difficulty of work involved in getting the degree doesn't change its value as a credential one iota.

 

Once and for all....

Ok, I'm not sure it's even possible to settle this once and for all. Here it is. Unaccredited schools may provide a person with good learning opportunities. However, a person is likely to run into questions at some point about the legitimacy of the degree. That makes the unaccredited degree, in my thinking, of questionable value. Go for gold - regionally accredited or foreign equivalent. Barring that, go for silver - nationally accredited institutions.

Now here's my thing: If a person chooses to pursue an unaccredited degree, then live with the consequences. But let's not continue the same old comparison game. In spite of what you may have learned, the value of the credentials are NOT the same.

Take it from one who completed an unaccredited MBA from what is arguably a "respectable" unaccredited school.

 

get real

This is a good one - Your saying that completing (4) four 20 mult-choice questions worksheets brings you more joy than earning a real degree and an education.


I'm not pro UOP, but it does provides an opportunity for learning and filling in the gaps. CCU is SUBSTANDARD in every way......, additionally, CCU entire facility is about 1000 sq. feet in Santa Ana, CA. ( I'm hearing that CCU must move from their rented space, I hope that their new home is not a 20'x20' car port

Best of luck,

 

Don't settle for less ...

The poster is stating that he feels the MBA program is more challanging than the RA. Why then should he sttele for the RA program, when the CCU work is harder, hence he'll learn more and can apply it to his job. As far as validitity, since when does a CCU degree need excuses? CCU is an approved stste liscenced degree regulated by the CA PSE Board.

I am hoping that Bill H. reads the posters thread.

RJT

 

Re: Don't settle for less ...

Hi Roberta, I'm pleased that you're thinking of me. XOXOXOX.

What the poster said is that he felt his CCU classes were more challenging than 2 classes he took at UoP. First off I don't know what classes they were but a number of points for your consideration.

1. Much more goes into accreditation than just class difficulty. For example, even if we assume that at K-W are the toughest classes on Earth, K-W is still a degree mill for the many reasons already given.
2. The only criticisms I remember ever making against CCU is that they are unaccredited and there was an indication on this forum that CCU had apparently accepted some bogus AA degree in transfer for one student.
3. A degree from UoP will have far more utility, open far more doors, than will a degree from CCU. (True even though CCU isn't the ridiculous joke that K-W is.) The reason is simple, CCU is unaccredited, UoP is accredited. This is just a simple statement of reality.

 

The question will seemingly NEVER be settled!!!

The UoP is unquestionably the bottom of the RA barrel, but it is far better than CCU, due to it's acceptance and, subsequently, its utility.

 

UOP is a good RA school, my example - the "free market place of america", if it was providing "REAL" value to students, shareholders it would die.......

The story is - It's getting bigger..........., and yes BETTER

 

Re: The question will seemingly NEVER be settled!!!

Oh, I don't know. There are many RA schools that lose their accreditation each year. By definition, they're the "bottom of the barrel."

Phoenix has been an educational and financial success for 25 or so years. (I don't have a horse in this race; I've had nothing to do with Phoenix.)

 

REALLY????????

This is a subjective statement, but even if it is---ITS RA!

 

Re: The question will seemingly NEVER be settled!!!

I assume that every one on this thread is talking about U of Phoenix and not U of Pacific which is a highly regarded North CA school.
Anyway as a manager at a large So. Cal. fortune 10 company I had the pleasure in helping out several fellow employees who attended U of Phoenix (BS and MBA) and several other LA/Orange County area schools. I can tell you that based on topics I helped them out with such as math, statistics and quality assurance, Phoenix definitely was not the easiest school from which to earn a degree. These fellow employees were all taking part time classes at local campuses.

 

U.S. News & World Report

I tried to find what tier the UoP is in, but found that it wasn't even listed.

 

Re: Re: Don't settle for less ...

 

Re: Re: Re: Don't settle for less ...

And it was a fine offering too, IMHO. I'll take a laugh whenever I can get it. Believe it or not I even enjoy it more when the laugh was being bestowed on purpose. Thanks

So don't you think that if the K-W graduate actually manages to gets accepted into CCU that it will damage CCU's reputation beyond all hope of repair?

 

Re: Re: Re: Re: Don't settle for less ...

This is a great point. I'm reminded of Groucho Marx: "I wouldn't want to be a member of any club that would have me as a member."

If CCU accepts a KW-U graduate, then there really isn't much to distinguish the two, eh? And whatever distinctions are to be made, they're blurred by such a decision.

As for Mike comparing Phoenix with CCU, using my "business posing as a university" comment, I can only hope most people can tell the difference between an unrecognized university and a recognized one. In the U.S., it is accreditation that serves to distinguish between the two. Phoenix has been accredited for more than 20 years. CCU never has (by a recognized accreditor).

 

Re: Re: Re: Re: Don't settle for less ...

Hummm. Good point. Yes, I think I’d have a problem with that, as I would if they took a Century “grad” or a Barrington “grad” or Madison “grad” and the rest of the lot. I guess the only one who could answer that question (if they accept those degrees)is the Dean of Admissions of the school. But "beyond all hope of repair" ummm..a little extreme.
As for me using the Captain’s comparison, Yes I did, because it makes sense in this case. Besides, mimicry is the best form of flattery.


Veritas,

Michael

 

Re: The question will seemingly NEVER be settled!!!

I'm not convinced that the University of Phoenix is the bottom of the barrel.

Phoenix is rather unpopular with traditional academics because it hires lots of part time instructors from industry, and treats them as employees rather than providing them with tenured jobs-for-life.

What's more, it is growing aggressively and setting up branches in every American market of any size. It offers majors based on student demand rather than faculty interest.

So I think that lots of professors (and their unions) see the Phoenix-type schools as a growing threat to faculty working conditions.

From talking to several people who attended Phoenix classes, I don't remember hearing anything about them being significantly different in quality than classes at places like the California State University. But other reports here on Degreeinfo have told horror stories.

Assuming that all of these anecdotal reports are true, I'd speculate that Phoenix's rapid growth may have gotten out in front of its quality control from time to time. Perhaps local centers started offering classes before they were ready, and hastily hired faculty have not always been satisfactory.

If you take your operation nationwide, and expand quickly from one to scores of locations, it will inevitably get harder to put out a uniform product.

Personally, I think that Phoenix isn't nearly as bad as its critics allege, but it's not without problems either.

 

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Don't settle for less ...

Haven't you read any of his posts?!?

Well if I'm ever in the mood to bad mouth CCU, it'll be nice to be able to say something more than unaccredited.