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    First major court ruling came in on WLC verse DEAC

    Just talked to my contact at WLC.

    DEAC petitioned to have case dismissed – Denied
    DEAC petitioned for oral arguments to plead dismissal - Denied
    DEAC petitioned to have WLC lawyer sanctioned for frivolous case – Denied
    DEAC petitioned to have court include DEAC legal cost recovery as an option – Denied

    The case now moves to federal court in Washington DC.

    Also, I was told, WLC is being contacted by a lot of high profile academics that don’t like DEAC and have always suspected DEAC is not competent, as the WLC complaint asserts, and who are offering free expert services after learning about the WLC complaint.

    Also learned that there was an oral argument presented at DEAC's NACIQI hearing a few months ago that referenced this case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Edwards View Post
    Just talked to my contact at WLC.

    DEAC petitioned to have case dismissed – Denied
    DEAC petitioned for oral arguments to plead dismissal - Denied
    DEAC petitioned to have WLC lawyer sanctioned for frivolous case – Denied
    DEAC petitioned to have court include DEAC legal cost recovery as an option – Denied

    The case now moves to federal court in Washington DC.

    Also, I was told, WLC is being contacted by a lot of high profile academics that don’t like DEAC and have always suspected DEAC is not competent, as the WLC complaint asserts, and who are offering free expert services after learning about the WLC complaint.

    Also learned that there was an oral argument presented at DEAC's NACIQI hearing a few months ago that referenced this case.
    Ed Edwards, thank you for sharing the internal DEAC litigation update.

    As Dr. Anthony Pina noted, DEAC has also egregiously clouded the issue on what constitutes a legitimate doctorate in the United States. Prior to DEAC's imposed definition of what constitutes a doctorate, the issue was crystal clear.

    Federal recognition of DEAC rules (for colleges and universities) needs to be severed. Having two ruling bodies of collegiate affairs, such as DEAC and RA, is asinine. DEAC is subsequently gravitating towards become an unnecessary money making operation.

    DEAC needs to return to it's original roots, which is accrediting non-collegiate home study programs. However, there is significantly less money to be made for DEAC in non-collegiate home study accreditation.
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    The plot thickens, indeed.

    I'm hoping that David Lady returns to comment on this, if not to gloat a little bit.

    Quote Originally Posted by me again View Post
    Ed Edwards, thank you for sharing the internal DEAC litigation update.

    As Dr. Anthony Pina noted, DEAC has also egregiously clouded the issue on what constitutes a legitimate doctorate in the United States. Prior to DEAC's imposed definition of what constitutes a doctorate, the issue was crystal clear.

    Federal recognition of DEAC rules (for colleges and universities) needs to be severed. Having two ruling bodies of collegiate affairs, such as DEAC and RA, is asinine. DEAC is subsequently gravitating towards become an unnecessary money making operation.

    DEAC needs to return to it's original roots, which is accrediting non-collegiate home study programs. However, there is significantly less money to be made for DEAC in non-collegiate home study accreditation.
    I don't have any issues with the DEAC accrediting academic programs, but I think they've been blinded by the $$$ of online graduate education , doctoral degrees in particular, and have kind of lost their way.

    I think the DEAC fills a niche in higher education , especially with ACICS having one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel, but I think they're in for a losing battle if they try to directly compete with the RA entities, which they seem to be doing more and more in recent years.
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    Failing to comply with DEAC's show-cause process as requested, letting WLC's accreditation lapse and then trying to kill DEAC looks like an act of juvenile spite to me. An act of spite that harms not only WLC, but all the other DEAC schools and their students as well.

    There's no way that I can applaud that.

    There are several DEAC schools that I like a lot and their DEAC accreditation means a lot to them (and to me).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Edwards View Post
    Just talked to my contact at WLC.

    DEAC petitioned to have case dismissed – Denied
    DEAC petitioned for oral arguments to plead dismissal - Denied
    DEAC petitioned to have WLC lawyer sanctioned for frivolous case – Denied
    DEAC petitioned to have court include DEAC legal cost recovery as an option – Denied

    The case now moves to federal court in Washington DC.

    Also, I was told, WLC is being contacted by a lot of high profile academics that don’t like DEAC and have always suspected DEAC is not competent, as the WLC complaint asserts, and who are offering free expert services after learning about the WLC complaint.

    Also learned that there was an oral argument presented at DEAC's NACIQI hearing a few months ago that referenced this case.
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    I smell bullshit, and lots of it.

    But if Ed's statements are, in fact true (and at this point they are very unsubstantiated), then let the real facts come out at trial. I have a feeling that WLC will be exposed as just as much an um-college as a certain um-university in Dominica.

    Yes, you can quote me on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by me again View Post
    Ed Edwards, thank you for sharing the internal DEAC litigation update.

    As Dr. Anthony Pina noted, DEAC has also egregiously clouded the issue on what constitutes a legitimate doctorate in the United States. Prior to DEAC's imposed definition of what constitutes a doctorate, the issue was crystal clear.

    Federal recognition of DEAC rules (for colleges and universities) needs to be severed. Having two ruling bodies of collegiate affairs, such as DEAC and RA, is asinine. DEAC is subsequently gravitating towards become an unnecessary money making operation.

    DEAC needs to return to it's original roots, which is accrediting non-collegiate home study programs. However, there is significantly less money to be made for DEAC in non-collegiate home study accreditation.
    The clouding of the doctorate was actually done by the US Department of Education (ED), when it granted the DETC (later DEAC) the ability to award "professional doctorates" (presumably almost anything that is not a Ph.D.), including the Ed.D., D.B.A. and other doctorates that it had already classified unambiguously as "research doctorates" equal to the Ph.D. ED had no definition for "professional doctorates" for some time after giving the DETC permission to offer them. With the advent of several new dissertation-less doctorate programs, it appears that ED had little choice but to accommodate what was now occurring by changing the IPEDS doctoral classifications into the current three (Doctoral Degree-Research, Doctoral Degree-Professional Practice and Doctoral Degree-Other). ED could have said "no" when the DETC petitioned to expand its scope of authority beyond "first professional degrees" to "professional doctorates," but it did not do so. THAT is what has led to the current situation.
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